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Thread: Enter/Ban Lists

Rosea
Fri Jun 11, 2004 2:54 pm
#1

Probably a dumb question...


Adding a guild (ie guild:RP) to an Entry list allows any member of that guild into your private building.

Does the same go for the Ban list?



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Pawlin
Fri Jun 11, 2004 2:58 pm
#2

/shrug




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BioDroid
Fri Jun 11, 2004 3:08 pm
#3

Yes, adding the guild:name to the ban list works as well.



Ma'ara Kiel(Corbantis) Master Tailor - Master Chef- Master Merchant
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Rosea
Fri Jun 11, 2004 3:21 pm
#4

Thanks!



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Doctor, Combat Medic *Naboo* Dancer, Musician, Designer
ZenDragonMLS
Fri Jun 11, 2004 5:29 pm
#5

But ..... at least last time I checked, adding "guild:basin" to your *admin* list does not work.



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BioDroid
Sat Jun 12, 2004 8:08 am
#6






ZenDragonMLS wrote:

But ..... at least last time I checked, adding "guild:basin" to your *admin* list does not work.






That's probably for the best. I mean you can probably trust veryone in your guild at some point, but all it takes is for someone to let one smacktard into the guild to rob you blind.



Ma'ara Kiel(Corbantis) Master Tailor - Master Chef- Master Merchant
Formerly Master Artisan - Master Marksman - Master Architecht

Bri'anne Mala(Corbantis) Master Entertainer - Master Dancer - Musician 4-0-4-0 - Image Designer 4-1-4-4

"This above all, to thine own self be true."
ZenDragonMLS
Sat Jun 12, 2004 10:56 am
#7

It depends on how you build your guild. The Amazon Basin is almost 4 years old now and I'd give any one of the members the keys to my account in a heartbeat.


It would be nice to have the option to do that.



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Test Center: Rikka R'zrPoint, Master Artisan, Master Architect - showroom just south of Theed at -5370, 3139

BioDroid
Sat Jun 12, 2004 1:39 pm
#8






ZenDragonMLS wrote:

It depends on how you build your guild. The Amazon Basin is almost 4 years old now and I'd give any one of the members the keys to my account in a heartbeat.


It would be nice to have the option to do that.







Wow, your guild is older than the game? Interesting. (Yes I realize that you probably all came from a guild in another game, and I know what you mean.) But the simple fact is, that if you place give admin rights to a guild, and someone in that guild recruits one of the many lovely "gems" we all know are out there, you are effectively handing over admin rights to somebody else who doesn't have a vested interest in the well being of your belongings.


When I ran into my difficulty with allowing somebody access to my shop for the sole purpose of placing a vendor, the royal testicle ripped me off. The CSR's did eventually get most of my stuff back from him, but only because I had proof that they had admin for only a specific purpose. Granting admin rights to a guild effectively says that you're handing admin rights over to whoever has the ability to recruit for the guild and not yourself. This makes fraud and theft reports almost impossible to deal with.


While I'm sure that we are all happy that your guild is filled with boyscouts (Trustworthy, honest, and loyal people) I think it can be safely assumed that your guild is in the minority. As a case in point, last night my guild recruited a 'tard who I wouldn't give admin to a septic tank to. While we may be saying goodbye to this idiot (if he hasn't already been kicked yet) soon, it still is incredibly dangerous to just hand over admin rights to a third person or a group. If your guild is that trustworth, simply add all the members of your guild to the admin list.




Ma'ara Kiel(Corbantis) Master Tailor - Master Chef- Master Merchant
Formerly Master Artisan - Master Marksman - Master Architecht

Bri'anne Mala(Corbantis) Master Entertainer - Master Dancer - Musician 4-0-4-0 - Image Designer 4-1-4-4

"This above all, to thine own self be true."
Pawlin
Sat Jun 12, 2004 4:10 pm
#9






BioDroid wrote:


...As a case in point, last night my guild recruited a 'tard who I wouldn't give admin to a septic tank to. While we may be saying goodbye to this idiot (if he hasn't already been kicked yet) soon, it still is incredibly dangerous to just hand over admin rights to a third person or a group. ...




I think this just says that your guild needs to be more careful in who they admit.





Pawlin Construction of Kettemoor.
Harvesters and Crafting stations - Triad Coronet Mall just outside Coronet (-177 -5490)
Architect, House, Furniture, Harvester FAQ

Oprolan the Wookiee of Sunrunner. Cheap resources W. Daeric Talus (-639 -3058)
"Worst FF ever *thumbsdown*" -- Pawlin fan club
"I am not going to win Miss Congeniality again this year in the Senate." -- John McCain


** Please refer to Elyssa's answer
ZenDragonMLS
Sat Jun 12, 2004 4:14 pm
#10

The Amazon Basin is an on-line gaming community with interests in several online games, ranging from D2 to DAOC and on to SWG, Horizons, and WOW. That means that many of the folks I play with go back a long time, and that new members have to be voted in, so "respect" and "trust" are big issues in the membership process.


And the Admin list only will hold 50 names, so if you want to have a series of "warehouses" for members to drop off and pick up stuff for one another, it's a constant juggling act to keep them up to date and to make sure we have alternate ways of passing stuff around.



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Chilastra: Zalle RazorPoint, Trader:Engineer (Master Architect, Master DE, Master Shipwright) - vendors just north of Theed at -3858 6181
Test Center: Rikka R'zrPoint, Master Artisan, Master Architect - showroom just south of Theed at -5370, 3139

BioDroid
Sun Jun 13, 2004 9:22 pm
#11






Pawlin wrote:


I think this just says that your guild needs to be more careful in who they admit.





You're absolutely right, but the Devs have to accomodate the lowest common denominator. The guilds that are 100% trustworthy (if any) are few and far between.



Ma'ara Kiel(Corbantis) Master Tailor - Master Chef- Master Merchant
Formerly Master Artisan - Master Marksman - Master Architecht

Bri'anne Mala(Corbantis) Master Entertainer - Master Dancer - Musician 4-0-4-0 - Image Designer 4-1-4-4

"This above all, to thine own self be true."
ZenDragonMLS
Sun Jun 13, 2004 10:27 pm
#12






BioDroid wrote:


You're absolutely right, but the Devs have to accomodate the lowest common denominator. The guilds that are 100% trustworthy (if any) are few and far between.





There is a saying around that goes something like "if you make a system idiot-proof, only idiot's will use it."


By that logic the devs would have us not put anyone on our admin lists. There is nothing that stops you from putting an untrustworthy person on the admin list for your house. If you don't trust that your guild has people with integrity in it, then don't use "guildaname" on your admin list.





Chilastra: Mikka R'zrPoint, Spy (Master Ranger/Master Pistoleer)
Chilastra: Zalle RazorPoint, Trader:Engineer (Master Architect, Master DE, Master Shipwright) - vendors just north of Theed at -3858 6181
Test Center: Rikka R'zrPoint, Master Artisan, Master Architect - showroom just south of Theed at -5370, 3139

CandaVespin
Mon Jun 14, 2004 9:00 am
#13

It also does not work for entry list, to bypass the entire trust issue regarding admin lists.



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