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Thread: Full moon over Naboo?

Z_Wookie
Tue Jun 15, 2004 9:02 am
#1


Oh believe me I have the best of the best as far as tools go...15 crafting tool, 44+ station...etc. I've lived in a research center city but I honestly never saw a difference in the crit fail rates from crafting there vs. crafting in my non-research city. I've also tried the port and the only difference I noticed was my bank account going down.


Last night was just a real freak of nature, I get crit fails now and then but nothing compared to what I was getting last night.



Zel
Steel Prophet Enterprises
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Pawlin
Tue Jun 15, 2004 9:24 am
#2

How many structure assembly points do you have? I think that makes a difference.


I would say I get 90-95% in the great success or better range nowadays and I've got about 123 structure assembly. (including 10 points for Mon Calamari )




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Pawlin
Tue Jun 15, 2004 9:29 am
#3

I also do think that research center makes a difference. 2 reasons:


1) On 'temporary tuesday' it was crucial to get amazing success in order to hit the magic 100% mark. I had trouble getting them but heard that research center helped so I found one and tried it. I saw a noticable increase in the rate of amazing successes in the research center.


2) A while back I did some testing of frequency rates for successes with an alt who is a artisan dabbler. I made a sample of muzzles and noted the experiment results. Then later when we got research center I repeated that test. There was a noticable increase in the proportion of great and amazing successes with the research center.





Pawlin Construction of Kettemoor.
Harvesters and Crafting stations - Triad Coronet Mall just outside Coronet (-177 -5490)
Architect, House, Furniture, Harvester FAQ

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Z_Wookie
Tue Jun 15, 2004 11:05 am
#4






Pawlin wrote:

How many structure assembly points do you have? I think that makes a difference.


I would say I get 90-95% in the great success or better range nowadays and I've got about 123 structure assembly. (including 10 points for Mon Calamari )








I'll have to check on my SAPs when I get home tonight. I definitely hit great success or better in the 90-95 percentile range as well. And that's in a non-research center city. That's why last night really stuck out in my mind because I have never ever had that many crit fails...I was also getting a whole mess of moderate successes as well. It just got to the point where I would close my eyes, hit the button and hope for the best. Normally I'd just not craft under those conditions but of course I had a big order to fill.


Interesting stats on your research center vs. non-research center experiment. I never even thought to see if it affected the number of great/amazing successes... I was just concentrating on the crit fails. Still not enough of a reason to uproot me from my liitle home on Naboo though.




Zel
Steel Prophet Enterprises
Located in Northern Lights, Naboo (-1865,5804)
Come visit the Northern Lights Commerce Center!
Z_Wookie
Tue Jun 15, 2004 12:00 pm
#5


What a horrid night for crafting! Every other experimentation was a crit fail. I guess the law of averages is null and void in my workshop alone because I sure got my fair share of fails. I'm going to put up a vendor just to sell off the crappy failed harvesters that are cluttering my workshop floor. I wish there was a 'Throw deed against wall' emote...I'd be using that all the time.


Ok I feel better now...back to crafting.



Zel
Steel Prophet Enterprises
Located in Northern Lights, Naboo (-1865,5804)
Come visit the Northern Lights Commerce Center!
bluejanus
Tue Jun 15, 2004 12:10 pm
#6






Z_Wookie wrote:


What a horrid night for crafting! Every other experimentation was a crit fail. I guess the law of averages is null and void in my workshop alone because I sure got my fair share of fails. I'm going to put up a vendor just to sell off the crappy failed harvesters that are cluttering my workshop floor. I wish there was a 'Throw deed against wall' emote...I'd be using that all the time.


Ok I feel better now...back to crafting.






Use Bespin port. Get +25 structural assembly, +20 structural experimentation. Live in a city that is a research center. Buy a quality crafting station/crafting tool. (I can help with the last two). Btw, I live in a research center *wink*, thinking of moving?





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Frenzi
Tue Jun 15, 2004 12:30 pm
#7

I also live in a research city...with an architects apron on and a 44+ crafting station, plue level 15 Structure tool I cant really say I get many criticals. Of course I have just given myself the kiss of death and will hit crit fails all day now.



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Pawlin
Tue Jun 15, 2004 4:11 pm
#8

Ya ok it just sounds like a miserable string of luck.


I think that research center is supposed to incrase your experimental results. I would think that should also reduce your rate for criti failure during experimentation as well as improve your chances for more great or amazing successes.


But I think it is quite possible that there is a certain minimum result you have to exceed to avoid a crit fail. It could be that the bottom 1% result in the random number will always be a crit fail no matter what any other modifiers are.


When I was doing tests of crafting station quality I was getting a zillion great success and amazing success results and there would be a rare crit failure peppered in there with all the greats and amazings. Never anything else between great succcess and crit fail. You would think that if it wre still following some sort of bell curve or other normal distribution that there would be some good success or moderate failure results in there in small percent too but there weren't.




Pawlin Construction of Kettemoor.
Harvesters and Crafting stations - Triad Coronet Mall just outside Coronet (-177 -5490)
Architect, House, Furniture, Harvester FAQ

Oprolan the Wookiee of Sunrunner. Cheap resources W. Daeric Talus (-639 -3058)
"Worst FF ever *thumbsdown*" -- Pawlin fan club
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** Please refer to Elyssa's answer
lisasdarren
Wed Jun 16, 2004 4:27 am
#9






Pawlin wrote:


When I was doing tests of crafting station quality I was getting a zillion great success and amazing success results and there would be a rare crit failure peppered in there with all the greats and amazings. Never anything else between great succcess and crit fail. You would think that if it wre still following some sort of bell curve or other normal distribution that there would be some good success or moderate failure results in there in small percent too but there weren't.





I'm fairly new to this, but I have noticed that using my 15% tool with my mates good station i get mostly great and amazing successes, though i still get some goods... This is without food, a research centre or SEAs


This is until last night i am crafting to make aheavy harvester unit schem so i can fulfil an order for heavy floras and on the first attempt i gotan average successand a success and only managed a BER4, so i scrapped that one and tryed again and this time got lucky, on my final couple of points of experimentation i got an amazing that pushed it up to 98%.


I'd say that we are talking a very skewed distribution, which with enough bonuses can exclude anything below great, or can reduce the chance of anything below a good to a very small %. However I am inclined to agree with the critical failures being hardcoded to a certain position on the random number generator, there always has to be a chance to fail.


Makes me curious of whether the same is true for amazing successes, but the only way to test this would be to use the worst tools and stations you can get as a novice and i don't see any masters dropping all their skils to experiment






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Pawlin
Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:58 am
#10






lisasdarren wrote:


....Makes me curious of whether the same is true for amazing successes, but the only way to test this would be to use the worst tools and stations you can get as a novice and i don't see any masters dropping all their skils to experiment




I did some testing along those lines. Tool/station qualtiy doesn't seem to make a very noticable difference. Novices get a pretty random distribution of all types of experiment results.

As a novice artisan (alt char) making muzzles using either good or poor tools, I got a fairly even distribution of the different success results. It seemed to be a bit skewed towards the good/great/amazing results when using the good tools, but not by a huge amount and i'd have needed to do a lot larger sample to get a better idea of the impact. But either way there was still a decent number of amazings and greats mixed in. However the novices doesn't get 90% poor results and 1% amazing results. Its more of an even distribution.





Pawlin Construction of Kettemoor.
Harvesters and Crafting stations - Triad Coronet Mall just outside Coronet (-177 -5490)
Architect, House, Furniture, Harvester FAQ

Oprolan the Wookiee of Sunrunner. Cheap resources W. Daeric Talus (-639 -3058)
"Worst FF ever *thumbsdown*" -- Pawlin fan club
"I am not going to win Miss Congeniality again this year in the Senate." -- John McCain


** Please refer to Elyssa's answer
Kylania
Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:49 am
#11

I'd LOVE a Full Moon over Naboo. That place gets so dark at night.
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