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Thread: What are these uber harvesters worth??
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JeCy
Tue Apr 13, 2004 4:26 am
#1
11 Rate meds,
14 rate heavies
17,21,26 rate fussions,
4 rate personals with 40k hoppers
10 rate florals with 62k hoppers?
ive always wondered about these uber harvies
I sell my normal ones like 10 rate gas 54k hops for 45k for example.. i have some of these i may want to sell, and have seen some of these up for sale,. Just currious what y'all thought
Bandola
Tue Apr 13, 2004 4:37 am
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Hopper size really seems to be no big deal, people are not interested in paying up for larger hopper size, so they really have no additional premium.
The 11/14s are worth quite a bit more that 10/13s, it will depend upon your server, but I would recommend they be sold for at least twice 10/13 prices, more if you can get it. Problem IMO is finding a market level for something that has no current price to mark them against. I would start high then lower if you get no takers. A good marketing campaign should do wonders for these.
The fusions ? Not too many come up for sale, most who have them above 14 hang on to them, pick a price you are happy with and tout them, you will probably get a bite eventually.
Pawlin
Tue Apr 13, 2004 9:58 am
#3
You might try checking your server forum to see if anyone else has sold the 11/14's. There might have been an auction or two in the past that will help you gauge demand for them.
If you don't see anything there then you can always try running your own auction for a few and see what people are willing to pay.
Ewach
Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:52 am
#4
Do an economic analysis on the difference between a 10 and 11 or 13 and 14. Make some assumptions (average percent mined, cost per unit sold) and determine how much more a person can make from the higher BER harvester.
Then base your price on some fixed payback period.
For example (purely theoretical) - the BER 14 heavy yields 100K more in sales over a month period. Sell it for 50K more then the BER 13 explaining that the payback period is two weeks.
Mehlin
Tue Apr 13, 2004 1:07 pm
#5
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StumanKadir
Tue Apr 13, 2004 6:35 pm
#6
Initially we were selling the BER14's for anywhere up to 360k a piece. Since then, 200 to 250k a peice for the 14's seems to be on the money.
JeCy
Tue Apr 13, 2004 7:05 pm
#7
Id have to dissagree with hopper size meaning nothing. On a heavy i guess that could be true, but meds is another story. If you do a lot of multi planet mining having a 5-8k larger hopper is huge, especially if your on a 85%+ spot. i cant tell ya how many times my 52k hoppers were full, but my new 62k ones i usually find them at about 98%.. which makes for a very happy miner : )
Even the super size hoper on a personal floral is great. You can drop a floral and not have to check it for weeks and it will keep on mining. Ive seen floral last for about 3 weeks.
As for the pricing, that is about what i was thinking. I know those fussions will be hard to find, but one can hope
thanks people,
Je'Cy Dax
Bandola
Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:41 pm
#8
You misunderstand me, I don't mean the hopper size is worth nothing, I mean that it is not perceived as significant enough to command a higher premium. I for one would be very happy if buyers would pay more for a harvester with higher capacity, but in my experience they simply won't, and the risk in making larger hopper sizes is that with a critical failure you can sacrifice a BER point if you are unlucky. That make it too risky in many cases to experiment the hopper size. I used to do this, but after a few dropped BER points I stopped, it simply was not worth it.
JeCy wrote:
Id have to dissagree with hopper size meaning nothing. On a heavy i guess that could be true, but meds is another story. If you do a lot of multi planet mining having a 5-8k larger hopper is huge, especially if your on a 85%+ spot. i cant tell ya how many times my 52k hoppers were full, but my new 62k ones i usually find them at about 98%.. which makes for a very happy miner : )
Even the super size hoper on a personal floral is great. You can drop a floral and not have to check it for weeks and it will keep on mining. Ive seen floral last for about 3 weeks.
As for the pricing, that is about what i was thinking. I know those fussions will be hard to find, but one can hope
thanks people,
Je'Cy Dax
iamsiege7817
Wed Apr 14, 2004 12:02 pm
#9
JeCy wrote:
Id have to dissagree with hopper size meaning nothing. On a heavy i guess that could be true, but meds is another story. If you do a lot of multi planet mining having a 5-8k larger hopper is huge, especially if your on a 85%+ spot. i cant tell ya how many times my 52k hoppers were full, but my new 62k ones i usually find them at about 98%.. which makes for a very happy miner : )
Even the super size hoper on a personal floral is great. You can drop a floral and not have to check it for weeks and it will keep on mining. Ive seen floral last for about 3 weeks.
As for the pricing, that is about what i was thinking. I know those fussions will be hard to find, but one can hope
thanks people,
Je'Cy Dax
Hopper size isn't at all important to the price of the harvester its all about the BER a low BER with a large hopper you could only give away to a noob but they would only use it till they got a higher BER one.... Most resources are gone in a week and thats if your lucky enough to plop a harvester down within hours of it showing up......
And as for filling your harvesters up!!!!!! try unloading them once and awhile because for the cost of just checking the hopper every day or two!!!!!!!
Becausewhat really means alotis if you are only able to extract 9000 of the resource with a low harvester or 25000 with a high harvester before it disappears....
So for price BER is the ONLY number anyone cares about at all...... anyone sayin different is blowing smoke up your tail pipe....... or too cheapto unload them and shouldnt be operating them to begin with!!!!!!!!
But pre nerfed harvesters over 13BER you should really auction off for the best price..... they could go to a million or more its the prestiege of havin it thats the selling point cause you cant make them anymore so they are extreamly valuable.........
Bandola
Wed Apr 14, 2004 12:11 pm
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btw a BER16 Fusion with 400k storage just went for 500k at auction on Bria if that helps
Meplorium
Thu Apr 15, 2004 4:27 pm
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Ewach wrote:
Do an economic analysis on the difference between a 10 and 11 or 13 and 14. Make some assumptions (average percent mined, cost per unit sold) and determine how much more a person can make from the higher BER harvester.
Then base your price on some fixed payback period.
For example (purely theoretical) - the BER 14 heavy yields 100K more in sales over a month period. Sell it for 50K more then the BER 13 explaining that the payback period is two weeks.
That may make perfect sense except for one minor problem and that is rarity. These could only be made on one day. Everyone wants the best and that means BER14s. It is supply and demand and demand is much higher than supply. So a simple 25% more in cost is underselling. These should go for 2 to 3 times more than a BER13. Does it make ecomonic sense to do this? No, not at all. It doesn't make economic sense to pay 1.5 mil for 11 identical tissues that only give +30 to a T-21. It is less than a 10% gain on damage yet makes the price 10 fold. It is the best and nothing else than the best will do. Just 11 identical tissues hard to come by, so lack of supply forces the price up.
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