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Thread: Ten Questions *** Submitted 2.1.04 ***

FulminataXII
Thu Mar 25, 2004 1:27 pm
#53







Naufragus wrote:





i will take this a step further, maybe you can become this issues champion, WHEN WILL COLLISION BE TURNED BACK ON...i for one just dont like walking thru everything...be it in my house at the starport or in a cantina








Ok, I realize this one is sort of an older post, but the reason collision was turned off was because it allowed for griefing people by surrounding them with collidable objects in a building you have admin access to, but that they don't, thereby trapping them. We never had complete collision anyway, it was only some objects that were collidable. Besides, until my toon can behave like a real person and automatically make minor adjustments to avoid getting hung up on corners, I find it less distracting to have collision detection off.

Message Edited by FulminataXII on 03-25-2004 12:28 AM

FulminataXII
Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:07 pm
#54

While storage per lot is increasingly becoming an issue for many players, the other part of the house issue is the relationship between small, medium, and large houses. Taking off the 250 cap wouldn't add that much to their database as players would consider trading in their three small houses for one large house (possibly even decreasing database size a little as there would be fewer houses placed overall). It also wouldn't hurt if they made mediums take up 3 or 4 lots, so there would be a reason to buy them over smalls.

As for the two lot structure factories, I believe that was one of several vain attempts to slow down architectgrowth back in beta (along with the ore distribution). It wasn't effective, and now only serves as an annoyance.
Pawlin
Thu Mar 25, 2004 4:43 pm
#55






Dvnce wrote:



My whole point is that .. (and this is true for even our top ten ?'s) even though we have not seen a direct written response from the devs on each and every issue many Have been addressed ( I realize on some of them I have to say take my word on this) and even a few of them have been changed and implemented already ..


Yes I am with you .. in some frustrations .. This communication and "player participation" project in game development planning is as new ( and has as many bugs) as the SWG game itself.. But I have faith in it still I see where they are hoping and trying to take it..


...




Weexpect direct written responses from the DEVs. If they don't plan directly answering our issues then they should make that clear.


Is there nothing they tell youthat you can share with us?


Maybe you could make their failure to answer our Top 5 issues and Top Ten questions one of our Top 5 issues...





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Dvnce
Thu Mar 25, 2004 5:04 pm
#56






FulminataXII wrote:
While storage per lot is increasingly becoming an issue for many players, the other part of the house issue is the relationship between small, medium, and large houses. Taking off the 250 cap wouldn't add that much to their database as players would consider trading in their three small houses for one large house (possibly even decreasing database size a little as there would be fewer houses placed overall). It also wouldn't hurt if they made mediums take up 3 or 4 lots, so there would be a reason to buy them over smalls.

As for the two lot structure factories, I believe that was one of several vain attempts to slow down architectgrowth back in beta (along with the ore distribution). It wasn't effective, and now only serves as an annoyance.






That is the argument that we have recently brought up about the storage limits.. people now are doing lot exchanges for storage structures.. more now instead of for harvesters.. so the data base issues are not being reduced by small storage limits per structure..




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Pawlin
Thu Mar 25, 2004 8:23 pm
#57

Thanks Dvnce. I understand you're between a rock and a hard place here.



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Harvesters and Crafting stations - Triad Coronet Mall just outside Coronet (-177 -5490)
Architect, House, Furniture, Harvester FAQ

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Dvnce
Fri Mar 26, 2004 1:12 am
#58






Pawlin wrote:

So..


We didn't get answers to the Ten questions cause TH was too busy.


We didn't get answers to the old set of Top 5 issues cause those were too old.


We didn't get answers to the latest set of Top 5 issues cause they are changing the process.



Right?


Hmm...









My whole point is that .. (and this is true for even our top ten ?'s) even though we have not seen a direct written response from the devs on each and every issue many Have been addressed ( I realize on some of them I have to say take my word on this) and even a few of them have been changed and implemented already ..


Yes I am with you .. in some frustrations .. This communication and "player participation" project in game development planning is as new ( and has as many bugs) as the SWG game itself.. But I have faith in it still I see where they are hoping and trying to take it..


As far as the lot discussion . I have seen a few posts.. I think one was in the PA forum about why the storage is so small for the lots.. Although After reading that again .. I have not seen any comment about why structure factory is 2 plots..






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Cafa
Fri Apr 02, 2004 10:29 am
#59



I understand the rock and the hard place too, but as a communications systems programmer and a DBA I am just floored that the devs CONTINUE to be their own worst enemies in this after-BETA BETA we keep experiencing. There would literally be no need to have cross-server housing if they would up the limits that they promised to set the game to, in my opinion. Let's just forget architects for a moment. All 20 Master Tailors I know cross-lot their shops because they cannot survive this crafting gig on the graces of the masses. Imagining that people are generally going to help other people is a farce. Loyalty in this video game is BEYOND limited. I can count on two hands the people I implicitly trust and we call each other on the phone and got to know each other to establish that trust. All adults, BTW. It would be improper to have adult to children relationships on the phone, in my opinion, whatsoever. But I'd bet that's two hands more than most players.


It's like they keep hitting these FUNDAMENTAL walls and screwing us and themselves over by not FIXINGthe CAUSES, only the symptoms. Yeah, frustration is rampant. It's why I stay off the profession boards lately.


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IntoTheGarbage
Fri Apr 02, 2004 10:57 am
#60






Dvnce wrote:


2. Architect products are significantly devalued, selling at 4-5cpu vs. the weaponsmith or amorsmiths overall higher cpu income. Renewable incoming for architects is non-existant(obviously devs might not be able to resolve income problems, as players set the price at which they want to buy, but there must be something that can be done to close the gap between the professions)

okthis issue will forever be one




(A lot of this is cut and paste from an earlier post)


I don’t think this is as big a problem as it appears. It all depends on how you calculate our profits. Rather than calculate the value added per unit, we should be calculating the value added per crafting session. This is because Architects use vast amounts of resources in their crafting, but still only need to do one or two crafting sessions to create their product. So our costs are closer to the costs of the actual resources than they arefor a weaponsmith or armorsmith.



For example:


Say the average cost for resources is 4 cpu. A weaponsmith crafts an item in 3 sessions and uses a total of 500 resources. His total costs were 2,000. He estimates his selling price as 10cpu, and charges 5,000. He calculated his value added as 6 cpu, but the total value added for his 3 crafting sessions was 3,000.


Now an architect crafts an item in 3 sessions and uses a total of 10,000 resources. His total costs were 40,000. If the architect used the same formula as the weaponsmith he would charge 100,000 and realize a profit of 60,000 for the same amount of work as the weaponsmith. Not only does that make no sense, but buildings would become way too expensive.


Instead, the architect charges 15,000. This is only a CPU increase of .5, but if we calculate this in terms of the actual number of crafting sessions used, his profit is 5,000 for three sessions. More than the weaponsmith. However this greater profit really just reflects the greater difficulty in obtaining the larger amount of resources needed.

The worst imbalance from this situation, IMHO, is that we have a higher demand on our lots to obtain all these resources. While giving us more lots is probably not doable, burdening us with the only 2 lot factory CAN, and should, be fixed.




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Thank you for your patience.
FulminataXII
Sun Apr 04, 2004 12:23 pm
#61






IntoTheGarbage wrote:





Dvnce wrote:


2. Architect products are significantly devalued, selling at 4-5cpu vs. the weaponsmith or amorsmiths overall higher cpu income. Renewable incoming for architects is non-existant(obviously devs might not be able to resolve income problems, as players set the price at which they want to buy, but there must be something that can be done to close the gap between the professions)

okthis issue will forever be one




(A lot of this is cut and paste from an earlier post)


I don’t think this is as big a problem as it appears. It all depends on how you calculate our profits. Rather than calculate the value added per unit, we should be calculating the value added per crafting session. This is because Architects use vast amounts of resources in their crafting, but still only need to do one or two crafting sessions to create their product. So our costs are closer to the costs of the actual resources than they arefor a weaponsmith or armorsmith.



For example:


Say the average cost for resources is 4 cpu. A weaponsmith crafts an item in 3 sessions and uses a total of 500 resources. His total costs were 2,000. He estimates his selling price as 10cpu, and charges 5,000. He calculated his value added as 6 cpu, but the total value added for his 3 crafting sessions was 3,000.


Now an architect crafts an item in 3 sessions and uses a total of 10,000 resources. His total costs were 40,000. If the architect used the same formula as the weaponsmith he would charge 100,000 and realize a profit of 60,000 for the same amount of work as the weaponsmith. Not only does that make no sense, but buildings would become way too expensive.


Instead, the architect charges 15,000. This is only a CPU increase of .5, but if we calculate this in terms of the actual number of crafting sessions used, his profit is 5,000 for three sessions. More than the weaponsmith. However this greater profit really just reflects the greater difficulty in obtaining the larger amount of resources needed.

The worst imbalance from this situation, IMHO, is that we have a higher demand on our lots to obtain all these resources. While giving us more lots is probably not doable, burdening us with the only 2 lot factory CAN, and should, be fixed.





Personally, I think that the increased resource gathering hassle more thancancels out any benefits we get from decreased crafting sessions, especially considering that the difference in crafting sessions is effectively eliminated when you factor in factory runs.

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