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Thread: Question about experimentation
TulThams
Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:42 pm
#40
Well, due to the overwhelming response,I just went ahead and made a 3rd gen for fc efficiency, but since I do well with a -8 fc crystal, I experimented the damage for my 1st gen grind stick.
Like anyone cares....lol. 
Adie
Fri Nov 05, 2004 5:39 am
#41
From the posts I've read, it is better to experiment FC down, but this post being after the fact I guess it doesn't really matter.
-Adie
LuCha
Thu Dec 09, 2004 10:00 pm
#42
I was trying to make pyollian cake. I was using some good materials and according to the crafting tool, my nutrition values were 945 for the oats (1/3) and 923 (2/3) for the fruits. I was working in a research center, and am a 12pt chef.
The first item I made I maxed out the nutrition and came up to 92% = +15 bonus
Then I tried to see what points in the other areas would do for me to figure out how I wanted to spend my experimentation points. After a few tries, I knew how I wanted it and how many amazings I needed to get it done.
The problem is this: Everytime since the first try, I have been unable to get 92% (+15). It now maxes out at 90% (+14). I'm using the same exact materials and didn't even move. What happened? Am I bugged or something? Shouldn't I be getting at least 92% maxed out with the materials i'm using?
Death-Blow
Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:14 pm
#43
Could you possibly have gotten an amazing experimentation that caps a little higher than the usual eventhou all the boxes are colored in.
On the 2nd part the overall nuitritional value is 66.666667% PE and 33.333333% OQ. It is very possible that the OQ of the resources you are using lowered your overall value to under 92%
On the 2nd part the overall nuitritional value is 66.666667% PE and 33.333333% OQ. It is very possible that the OQ of the resources you are using lowered your overall value to under 92%
Eerif
Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:22 pm
#44
eehhh probably a stupid question, but was the BSN the same stat as well?
LuCha
Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:40 am
#45
I didn't notice if it was an amazing assembly or not. I did try getting an amazing assembly to see if that was what happened, but I wasn't able to get one. I don't normally use pyollian cake or bespin port. I don't think they actually do anything, but I was using the cake when I was trying to get an amazing assembly. It didn't help 
I think this strange expreiment was due to an amazing assembly, but i'm not really sure and haven't been able to check (yet).
Everything about what I was doing was the same. Same resources, same BSN, same tools, same station, same city.
btw: nutrition for Pyollian Cake is 50% OQ and 50% DR. (its weird because there is no flavor, it's good for just one assembly roll) The values I gave in the original post were read directly off the crafting tool where it shows the stats for a resource being used in what your are making.
Over all this was really anoying and I hope it was just something stupid. If it was an amazing assembly that would be great! That would mean that assembly actually means something
I have never noticed assembly rolls doing anything before, and I'd really like it if they did.
I think this strange expreiment was due to an amazing assembly, but i'm not really sure and haven't been able to check (yet).Everything about what I was doing was the same. Same resources, same BSN, same tools, same station, same city.
btw: nutrition for Pyollian Cake is 50% OQ and 50% DR. (its weird because there is no flavor, it's good for just one assembly roll) The values I gave in the original post were read directly off the crafting tool where it shows the stats for a resource being used in what your are making.
Over all this was really anoying and I hope it was just something stupid. If it was an amazing assembly that would be great! That would mean that assembly actually means something
I have never noticed assembly rolls doing anything before, and I'd really like it if they did.
LuCha
Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:58 am
#46
OK! I figured out what happened!!!!
I just logged into the game and checked to see what I was working with. I was crafting with two fruits in my bag. I was using the numerical guide in the tool to determine what resources I should use. I had the following resources in my bag:
Oats:
DR926 FL616 PE894 OQ964
crafting tool says...nutrition DR50/OQ50 = 945
normal nutrition... PE66/OQ33 = 908
Fruit #1:
DR988 FL734 PE910 OQ857
crafting tool says... nutrition DR50/OQ50= 922
normal nutrition... PE66/OQ33 = 883
Fruit #2:
DR684 FL242 PE984 OQ825
crafting tool says... nutrition DR50/OQ50 = 754
normal nutrition... PE66/OQ33 = 921
Calculating the nutrition stat using the proportions of 10 oats to 20 fruit you get:
With the crafting tool numbers:
oat/fruit #1: 937 should be 94%
oat/fruit #2: 881should be 89%
With the normal numbers:
oat/fruit #1: 899 should NOT be 90% <but it is>
oat/fruit #2: 912 should NOT be 92% <but it is>
I was assuming that I used the better of the two fruits according to the crafting tool on my first try, but apparently I didn't. I accidentally used the worse of the two fruits according to the crafting tool. I know this because, on a hunch,I tried using the lesser of the two andI was able tomax out nutrition at 92%.
So it looks like the formula for Pyollian Cake isn't what it's supposed to be. /sigh
moral of the story... SWGis just a little buggy so make sure you tryevery possible thing before you open your big mouth on the forums
Ylara
Fri Dec 10, 2004 8:23 am
#47
There is such a thing as an amazing assembly success and sometimes this can affect the final product a tad.
Ikooga
Fri Dec 10, 2004 8:54 am
#48
Yes, all chef foods use 66% PE/33% OQ for nutrition, no matter what the recipe says.
sciguyCO
Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:49 am
#49
LuCha wrote:
OK! I figured out what happened!!!!
...
So it looks like the formula for Pyollian Cake isn't what it's supposed to be. /sigh
moral of the story... SWGis just a little buggy so make sure you tryevery possible thing before you open your big mouth on the forums
I didn't even think to check whether Pyollian Cake was one of the "bugged schematic percentage" foods.
Yes, despite what may be listed in the crafting tool, the Nutrition category for foods seems to always be 66% PE + 33% OQ. This is definitely true for Bespin Port (which also displays DR50 / OQ50) and a few others.
The 899 = 90% and 912 = 92% may just be due to rounding errors. When using 66% / 33% to do calculations, I've found I get more accurate results if I use 2/3 and 1/3.
eugene2k3
Sun Dec 12, 2004 9:08 am
#50
As far as I have ever been able to tell, amazing assemblies do absolutely nothing for the Chef profession.
Ylara
Sun Dec 12, 2004 4:47 pm
#51
They do, though... you can sometimes save an experimentation point that can then be used elsewhere, which is really what it's about.
Yrab65
Sat Jan 22, 2005 5:36 am
#52
Maybe a dumb question. But something i was just thinking about with experimenting.
When i'm experimentingI normally use 2/3 points each try. Would i be better using 1 point at a time hoping
for more amazings or does it matter (I know there is a limit to how many amazings will make a differnce).
Thanks