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Thread: Status of our Questions.. TH answers..

Dvnce
Thu Apr 22, 2004 2:33 pm
#1



Ok .. TH came to the conclusion that this was a Huge task in the way it was set up.. What He has decided to do for the simple reason it is taking to long for most professions to get the answers they deserve and.. by the time most get their answers they will be in most part non current ?'s


So what he is going to do is this.. Split the professions in two groups.. Every other week each group will get to submit One Current question to be answered THAT week ..


Well we are in Group A and this is the first Week .. Here Is out Question And Answer...


Architect: What is the exact effect that the effectiveness rating on crafting tools and Crafting stations have on the crafting process and are they working as intended?


The effectiveness rating on crafting tools and stations influences the chance of success or failure during the assembly and experimentation stages. These are working as intended.




This is also posted in the Live Discussion....




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Message Edited by Dvnce on 04-22-2004 02:38 PM




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CraftDragon
Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:01 pm
#2

Architect: What is the exact effect that the effectiveness rating on crafting tools and Crafting stations have on the crafting process and are they working as intended?


The effectiveness rating on crafting tools and stations influences the chance of success or failure during the assembly and experimentation stages. These are working as intended.


we wasted our once every 2 week question on this? I really thought we had bigger issues we needed answers to.



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Naufragus
Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:29 pm
#3

sorry dunce..not directed at you but this is COMPLETE BS...


basically Kurt is unable to do his job....1 question a month is not going to cut it....I believe that the correspondants should not stand for this....this is really an outrage and yet more manuevering to cut off all communication...


its gone from Top 5 issues to 10 questions back to Top 5 issues and now basically 1 question a month -----


WHICH HE DIDNT EVEN REALLY ANSWER.....


i am encouarging all correrspondants to ask for kurts removal asap and get someone in who can actually communicate


ZenDragonMLS
Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:30 pm
#4

In Diablo 2 on-line there was a "gem" as part of the chat channel interface. When you pushed it it lit up and said "you have turned on the gem". When you pushed it again it turned off. Needless to say there were numerous rumors and speculation on what effect that gem had. Every *fact* that we had was that it did nothing at all (in fact, I believe the devs confirmed this privately). However, in an interview with the Blizard mouthpiece, when asked about the gem, he said "It is working as intended."

He and TH apparently went to the same communications class.

In other words, this was as useful as teats on a boar.



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Naufragus
Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:33 pm
#5






Dvnce wrote:



Architect: What is the exact effect that the effectiveness rating on crafting tools and Crafting stations have on the crafting process and are they working as intended?


The effectiveness rating on crafting tools and stations influences the chance of success or failure during the assembly and experimentation stages. These are working as intended.








kurt actually contradicts himself in the same thread!!!!!!!!!!!







LadyLeala wrote:


DOES THE QUALITY OF THE ACTUAL CRAFTING STATION MODULE MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE ON THE CRAFTING PROCESS?

Can you please clarify that just a tad? Thanks very much!




TH: Nope. It neither adds nor subtracts from the process.
Pawlin
Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:55 pm
#6

Naufragus,


LadyLeala asked:


"Ok... now for my question. In regards to the crafting stations in DROIDS, it sounds like you were answering the question as though they were wondering about the quality of the droid itself. As a DE myself, I know there is a point during the crafting process of the CRAFTING STATION MODULE where you get to experiment. It calls for some high OQ/CD resources, and you can potentially experiment up close to 100%. But my question is, DOES THE QUALITY OF THE ACTUAL CRAFTING STATION MODULE MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE ON THE CRAFTING PROCESS?..."


So it appears her question was about crafting modules in DROIDS.


SO when TH said that :


"Nope. It neither adds nor subtracts from the process."


His answer would have to be taken as regarding DROIDS which is what LadyLeala asked about.



TH quoted LadyLea but didn't include all the context of her question, in particular, he quoted the bit you copied/pasted here. So it is easy to read what he said and conclude he's talking about crafting stations in general. However even that bit you quoted here does say "CRAFTING STATION MODULE" and we know that "module" applies to droids.






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Naufragus
Thu Apr 22, 2004 4:03 pm
#7


now i am totally confused....


so my probot with a crafting station in it has no effect on my crafting...


regardless...do we know anything new about crafting stations in general? Kurt is terrible at his job

Message Edited by Naufragus on 04-22-2004 07:05 PM

Pawlin
Thu Apr 22, 2004 4:13 pm
#8

So LadyLeala asked if the experimentation result of the crafting of the crafting module matters.


THe answer is that it does not. So quality of the crafting station module in a droid doesn't matter.


However, we do know that the rating of a crafting station (architect product not droid) or a crafting tool DOES "influence" the success rate and experimentation ratings.



I don't think this is TH communicating poorly. This seems to be a choice that SOE makes to not give us concrete nubmers. SO TH is just feeding us the SOE corporate party line (he gets paid to do that). I'm not sure why we expected different.. this is their standard MO. They seem to like to play mystery games with this stuff for some reason. I think their theory is that if they give us all the exact numbers then that will take the fun out of it for people or something. I dunno.





Pawlin Construction of Kettemoor.
Harvesters and Crafting stations - Triad Coronet Mall just outside Coronet (-177 -5490)
Architect, House, Furniture, Harvester FAQ

Oprolan the Wookiee of Sunrunner. Cheap resources W. Daeric Talus (-639 -3058)
"Worst FF ever *thumbsdown*" -- Pawlin fan club
"I am not going to win Miss Congeniality again this year in the Senate." -- John McCain


** Please refer to Elyssa's answer
ZenDragonMLS
Thu Apr 22, 2004 4:14 pm
#9



Naufragus wrote:
Kurt is terrible at his job





Maybe he is doing exactly the job that he is paid to do, like the White House Press Secretary. Create the illusion of communication while committing to as little as possible. If so, then he's doing an outstanding job.



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Naufragus
Thu Apr 22, 2004 4:33 pm
#10






Pawlin wrote:

So LadyLeala asked if the experimentation result of the crafting of the crafting module matters.


THe answer is that it does not. So quality of the crafting station module in a droid doesn't matter.


However, we do know that the rating of a crafting station (architect product not droid) or a crafting tool DOES "influence" the success rate and experimentation ratings.



I don't think this is TH communicating poorly. This seems to be a choice that SOE makes to not give us concrete nubmers. SO TH is just feeding us the SOE corporate party line (he gets paid to do that). I'm not sure why we expected different.. this is their standard MO. They seem to like to play mystery games with this stuff for some reason. I think their theory is that if they give us all the exact numbers then that will take the fun out of it for people or something. I dunno.









OMG you are confusing me even more....


OK please walk me thru this s-l-o-w-l-y


I am making an R2 unit that i am going to use as a weapon crafting station...I make the WDG module and dont experiment...i make a nother and experiment it to 95%...are you saying that both droids will be as effective as a crafting station? If so then why bother using good materials and experimenting at all


Now i have my droid with the non-expermented module in it and my 43.89% WDG station in my house....which would give me better results.?


Naufragus
Thu Apr 22, 2004 4:35 pm
#11






ZenDragonMLS wrote:

. Create the illusion of communication while committing to as little as possible.




sorry but he has failed to create the illusion or even an illusion of an illusion
ZenDragonMLS
Thu Apr 22, 2004 4:42 pm
#12

If you look at the surface SOE can say "Oh, we took player questions and we answered them".

I agree - this is crap.

When dealing with your customer base you can have 3 basic stances:

1. Really communicate with them - talk with them and honestly inform them.
2. Tell the customers that you'll do whatever you do and that they have no input.
3. Tell the customers that you will communicate with them but don't follow through.

As a systems architect, I've always practiced #1 and it has worked out well. Personally, I find #2 much more honest than #3 - if you aren't going to listen to me then just say so and I won't bother to generate questions.

I'm still enjoying the game and having fun. But my interest in contributing any sort of "customer feedback" (top 10, top 5, 1 every 2 weeks, etc) has gone to zero with this nonsense response.



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Pawlin
Thu Apr 22, 2004 4:44 pm
#13






Naufragus wrote:


I am making an R2 unit that i am going to use as a weapon crafting station...I make the WDG module and dont experiment...i make a nother and experiment it to 95%...are you saying that both droids will be as effective as a crafting station?

Yes. Quality doesn't matter. Like if you make a wall with 999 material and experiment it to 99% it is no better or worse than a wall with grind crap unexperimented. Same diff.


If so then why bother using good materials and experimenting at all


Ya. You shouldn't bother. That is the conclusion.


Now i have my droid with the non-expermented module in it and my 43.89% WDG station in my house....which would give me better results.?


The architect created +43.89 crafting station in your house will give you better results. The droid station does not impact results but the private crafting station does influence the results.







Let me put it another way... this is how I understand it:


If you make a private crafting station as an architect then the functional rating matters.


If a droid engineer makes a droid with a crafting station in it then the quality doesn't matter at all, the experimentation results don't matter, the quality of the materials used won't matter. It is apparently equivalent to a 0.0 rating station or a public crafting station.






Pawlin Construction of Kettemoor.
Harvesters and Crafting stations - Triad Coronet Mall just outside Coronet (-177 -5490)
Architect, House, Furniture, Harvester FAQ

Oprolan the Wookiee of Sunrunner. Cheap resources W. Daeric Talus (-639 -3058)
"Worst FF ever *thumbsdown*" -- Pawlin fan club
"I am not going to win Miss Congeniality again this year in the Senate." -- John McCain


** Please refer to Elyssa's answer
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