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Thread: Expression Freedom? (no flames, no troll) -Tiggs matter

almanish
Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:24 am
#1

What I have to say about this, is what has come to my mind seeing the closing of various threads that petition Tiggs back, /sign for her return, or express feelings of frustration or including anger about the situation.


I have seen hundreds, thousand of this kind of complaints in the community about things/nerfs/etc in the game. And that is the forums for, aren't they?


So, when the matter changed to our concern about the go-away of the Community Relations Manager, it only surprises me to see those threads closed!!!


It is that we cannot express ourselves? It is different from saying to SOE: we don't like your policy?

If it is done from the respect and without trolling and entering the reasonably banned themes of politics, religion, et. all, that are out of order here, I think, strongly, that if you do not inform us about why this, why now, why! as you have done so many other times, it is not fair, and probably against our freedom of expression to cloase a thread like those.


I undestand that some post are out of order. Always there are those. But only if you don't like to see hundreds or maybe thousands of posts against your policy, then don't do that. Inform. Maybe it was a fair departure. She could write a note, some post, but no. Haven't seen any.

You could have wrote about it, too, but no either.


If the mood of the thread goes against SOE, then it is closed? Awake! there are thousand of those and you ignore them. Is it that this one could really hurt you? That is what I am inducted to think seeing those kind of behaivour.

Maybe you are afraid some truth go to the light?


In the UN, in the Arab countries, and in countless other places, they at least accept the NGO petitions to save a condemned to death, and in some cases they are saved, because the popular pressure, the same one that you are repressing with that kind of policy.


I ask you politely that allow people to express their feelings. You, SOE, can, too, if want to alight a bit this matter, and so maybe thought change, or maybe you could rectify your errors. That is human.
sebastainlenzi
Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:34 am
#2


I agree, i have seen at least 5 threads start about tiggs (mostly saying why we thoughtit was a good move to remove her from her Directors position) and a few crybaby forms later and the thread is deleted or not able to be accessed .


This is a public form and as long as a few major expressions are not submitted then what we say should be allowed to continue.

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konik
Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:39 am
#3

look its another retarded thread about the pseudo invasion of human rights...
almanish
Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:55 am
#4

I ask please, no trolling again. I don't think human rights are retarded, right?


ok, stop here this kind of comment. Constructive feedback only, please.


Cebre_Opasloa
Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:19 am
#5






sebastainlenzi wrote:


I agree, i have seen at least 5 threads start about tiggs (mostly saying why we thoughtit was a good move to remove her from her Directors position) and a few crybaby forms later and the thread is deleted or not able to be accessed .


This is a public form and as long as a few major expressions are not submitted then what we say should be allowed to continue.

Message Edited by sebastainlenzi on 11-10-2005 09:35 AM





But these aren't "public" forums per se... They are SOE's forums, for SOE's customers, and one should expect anti-SOE threads to be moderated in some form.


Were this a third party forum site, that'd be different.






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Gaeladrian
Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:23 am
#6

You got my support.


Twiokio
Thu Nov 10, 2005 12:02 pm
#7


But WHY was she fired? Does anyone have a link to the post? I heard it was something about WoW
DiggyNO
Thu Nov 10, 2005 12:41 pm
#8

As previously stated, the forums are private properity, the sovereign republic of SOE. With that said, I tend to cry when people feel like spamming OUR IMPORTANT TESTING FORUMS FOR TESTING with threads regarding this completely unrelated matter. The NGE forums are for NGE discussion, not SOE company policy or people's "enlightened" ideas of what's going on.


As for Tiggs, what has happened is a matter between SOE and her and you people who claim to support her only make matters worse. You're effectively trying to pressure her into writing a very private matter in public.


I wish people would stop the bickering and accept the fact that Tiggs is no longer working for SWG Community Relations. Then breathe in some fresh oxygen and if they feel the need, wait for her to express her feelings at her own and SOE's discretion.


This is of course my own opinion and I speak for myself only.





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DiggyNO
Thu Nov 10, 2005 12:44 pm
#9






Twiokio wrote:


But WHY was she fired? Does anyone have a link to the post? I heard it was something about WoW





That's really none of your business.


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LordScotticus
Thu Nov 10, 2005 12:55 pm
#10

I constructively feed back that I'm personally ellated she's gone and hope this marks a new beginning for SWG.

I constructively feed back a reminder that how SOE chooses to manage itself is between its executive, its board, and its investors. Customers do not get a say in operational decisions. Customers have only the right to buy or not to buy based on whatever criteria they choose.

There's no rights invasion, the very notion is pseudolegal hogwash ridiculous nonsense. If a company offends you in their management decisions, your options for recourse are 1) stop giving them money or 2) apply for a job, get hired, become a manger of the relevant department with proper authority and solicit the ex-employee to return.

LOL, your rights are not violated at all. No where in the EULA were customers given a say-so in who gets to be Director of Community Relations.

Now please, stop this gayness and get back to the very real issues and problems of the new game coming out in 5 days. That's what Tiggs would do.




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almanish
Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:29 pm
#11

First: IF she was fired. I am not claiming at all she was. it maybe really a private matter. If it is so, it can be said as such an no more. Not claiming for it, only for the way it has been managed.


Second: This is the Community and Relations Board. Where the Tiggs matter has been exposed, so I think I am in the right place to express this matter. I am not in the NGE. Maybe you clicked wrong and thought it was another board. It can happen, I only say to to keep it in perspective.


Third: Yes, they are SOE forums. They have politics, rules of conduct and they are some mean of communication between SOE and us. As such, I use them to express my concerns. I don't like to be played with, do you?


Fourth: I don't want to press the matter with her to force something very private out, again, I would love to have her back. And I would hate if she was fired in an unfair way. If it was so, she could count on all my support and all I could do as someone who has been helped by her, I would do. There are people out there who would do, too.


Fifth: ok, better keep the rumor in the field of rumor. I don't want to play with it. Only facts. Threads closed about concern in the player base. No reason given, only a unilateral decission that it was not to be discussed here. I do not agree and express it.


Sixth: If SOE want to keep its policy as his own, but give me a way to express my disgust at it, and give me a way to make them know, Why shoul I not do it? If your profession is nerfed, or you have feel that they have done soemthing that unbalance it, Do you try to find why and reason if or if not?. I feel the main way of communication between me and SOE have been cut from the base. I am very, really and very concerned that all the work, the extra work that woman did, is not probably going to be done by anyone else, seeing how we beat them when they try. But she did it, and I am very concerned that if we lacked a lot of info because of SOE politics, we are going to be double misinformed, because noone is going to want to burn his life again in this way, to be wiped out without any concern about her and being buried using these methods I have seen.


Seventh: please, Have I insulted you in any way? Why to use words as those, and making as if you dismissed my claim as something childish, trying that way to keep them low? Anyway, the formula you used, disqualifiy you from the beggining, but anyway I will gladly see that they are not used again.


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JediWolfX
Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:40 pm
#12

I agree being the right wing, White, Over 40, Male LOL. I did not always agree with tiggs but I did on somethings; but know this she did an above the broad job and that says alot about a person. As far as what was said here is the post................................



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konik
Thu Nov 10, 2005 4:34 pm
#13






almanish wrote:

I ask please, no trolling again. I don't think human rights are retarded, right?


ok, stop here this kind of comment. Constructive feedback only, please.







its not trolling


"In the UN, in the Arab countries, and in countless other places, they at least accept the NGO petitions to save a condemned to death, and in some cases they are saved, because the popular pressure, the same one that you are repressing with that kind of policy."


your analogies are ridiculous...how there can be any constructive feedback on such a topic is beyond comprehension.
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