Smuggler Archive
Thread: A chuckle for the smuggler
LaughingWolf
Sun Jan 09, 2005 10:27 am
#1470
"wince" yeah, I almost did the "destroy the wrong pack" mistake once. Thankfully noticed just in time.
Bootzislee: I understand you didn't stole him, just did a mistake, but by simply ignoring the guy and logging off (if I am reading your post right), you certainly gave HIM the impression that you stole the stuff. (and I think that's not good, we live by reputation after all) Should have owned up to it and maybe gave him something in compensation, then if he is not reasonable addignore and quit. If that's what you did and you just didn't typed it all, sorry. lol And that's just my opinion, of course.
Bootzislee: I understand you didn't stole him, just did a mistake, but by simply ignoring the guy and logging off (if I am reading your post right), you certainly gave HIM the impression that you stole the stuff. (and I think that's not good, we live by reputation after all) Should have owned up to it and maybe gave him something in compensation, then if he is not reasonable addignore and quit. If that's what you did and you just didn't typed it all, sorry. lol And that's just my opinion, of course.
Message Edited by LaughingWolf on 01-09-2005 12:38 PM
MavriK512
Sun Jan 09, 2005 9:07 pm
#1471
Not a tale of comedy or annoying customers, but of outstanding generosity.
Today, I was standing in Cnet and someone sent me a tell, asking if I could slice some containers for him. He was apparently looking for crystals in them.
I said sure, it'll cost 3K/container.
First, he gives me 5 containers, I slice them, nothing outstanding in them, he pays me.
Then he asks if I could slice some more. I agreed.
In the trade window he puts four containers, and a DE-10 schematic...
He says that I can have the schematic free. I slice the containers, and again, just junk. I say sorry, he says it's no prob and tips me another 12K.
Man, what a champ. My new best friend.
Today, I was standing in Cnet and someone sent me a tell, asking if I could slice some containers for him. He was apparently looking for crystals in them.
I said sure, it'll cost 3K/container.
First, he gives me 5 containers, I slice them, nothing outstanding in them, he pays me.
Then he asks if I could slice some more. I agreed.
In the trade window he puts four containers, and a DE-10 schematic...
He says that I can have the schematic free. I slice the containers, and again, just junk. I say sorry, he says it's no prob and tips me another 12K.
Man, what a champ. My new best friend.
Cloudchasing
Mon Jan 10, 2005 9:13 am
#1472
OH MY GOD!!
did you at least give him your first born child?
MOD123
Mon Jan 10, 2005 4:10 pm
#1473
Cloudchasing wrote:OOOHHHH, whew. Sorry.I have to admit, I was REALLY surprised when I read that....."You can go about your business. Move along, move along."
To be honest I have to say I have only love for smugglers especially those in the long haul.
With that said I really don't appreciate being told by other players what and what not to do. If I find a krayt pearl or something similar in a sliced container (I can wish can't I)...it's mine.
Does it make me a bad person...well that depends on your point of view! 
I carry CDEF pistols and other clothing just for this purpose to swap for valuable items.I am annoyed at those players (ahem) who are ready to flame a "dishonest" smug when they don't read through there whole post.
I had a thought that the reason why our prices suffer (slicing-wise) is all you do-gooders smugs who don't rip your customers off (well maybe occasionally). Now bear with me I'm not going for the flame war but to make a point.
Spices don't sell and just about what we have left is faction (yeah right) and slicing (at least for me that's a steady market). If the players can simply find any other "honest" smug who may/may not take their precious composite or RIS armor the value of our service goes down (in part). We get taken for granted like auto-docs.
The value of our services goes down when you can shop around and find it cheap. I think (yes it maybe warped) that if the player has it in the back of his mind that he may lose his armor/weapon then he may dig a little deeper to insure this doesn't happen. Okay there are CSR's but there really aren't any guarantees in this came.
Now my thread is to do nothing more than to make a point or two. The main thing is think for yourself and not let others dictate how you play your game. Sure this is a forum but how you play is up to you.
Uhura Evvadoo
Master Smug/TKM/Imperial Pilot
...playing devil's advocate...
Nicolas_Frost
Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:15 pm
#1474
The thing is, Smugglers get by because they're trusted. Here's a scenario, and we'll make you Jabba the Hutt.
You need a shipment of spice to be delivered to RandomPlanet. Are you gonna pick the guy who's been known to steal his cargo on occasion, the guy who's known to deliver the cargo and keep the payment, or the guy who's known to deliver both the cargo and the payment?
You wouldn't pick the first two. Why? Because they might take your stuff. This is exactly why Jabba used Han so much. He was the best, didn't skim off the top. But, he did look out for his own neck, because he did drop that shipment,and even then hetried to pay Jabba back.
This is the same thing. Smugglers may be dirty criminals who don't play fair, but they're the trustworthy sort. Thier livelyhood depends on it.
Tavtrin
Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:53 am
#1476
MOD123 wrote:
Cloudchasing wrote:
OOOHHHH, whew. Sorry.
I have to admit, I was REALLY surprised when I read that.....
"You can go about your business. Move along, move along."
To be honest I have to say I have only love for smugglers especially those in the long haul.
With that said I really don't appreciate being told by other players what and what not to do. If I find a krayt pearl or something similar in a sliced container (I can wish can't I)...it's mine.
I am annoyed at those players (ahem) who are ready to flame a "dishonest" smug when they don't read through there whole post.
I had a thought that the reason why our prices suffer (slicing-wise) is all you do-gooders smugs who don't rip your customers off (well maybe occasionally). Now bear with me I'm not going for the flame war but to make a point.
Spices don't sell and just about what we have left is faction (yeah right) and slicing (at least for me that's a steady market). If the players can simply find any other "honest" smug who may/may not take their precious composite or RIS armor the value of our service goes down (in part). We get taken for granted like auto-docs.
The value of our services goes down when you can shop around and find it cheap. I think (yes it maybe warped) that if the player has it in the back of his mind that he may lose his armor/weapon then he may dig a little deeper to insure this doesn't happen. Okay there are CSR's but there really aren't any guarantees in this came.
Now my thread is to do nothing more than to make a point or two. The main thing is think for yourself and not let others dictate how you play your game. Sure this is a forum but how you play is up to you.
Uhura Evvadoo
Master Smug/TKM/Imperial Pilot
...playing devil's advocate...
Yeah and the reason I steal from people is to make them be more careful with their money, they will save in the long run.
.
LaughingWolf
Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:17 am
#1477
True Nicolas Frost, specially true since this game have no secure service trading, at least not fur us.
What other Smugglers charge to slice is not my business, I agree. One could say as standard reply to slice request "I charge 50k per slice, take it or leave it" and I would keep silent. To conduct shady dealings is one thing. To use in game mechanics to rip off another player hurt every other Smugglers.
For example.... the Smuggler who helped me a lot when I started seemed very generous,gave me access to ressources and stuff. I was buying my clamps and precision knives and WUK from his vendor. It is only later, when I reached slicing IV and got a slicing contract with a local WS, that I realised he had a deal with that same WS, and part of the deal was that the WS was making WUK and AUK for him and was giving him free ressources to make clamps and precision laser knives. So that Master Smuggler was making tools using the free ressources and then was selling part of thoses on his vendor. The WS can complain that he is giving ressources to make tools for the slicing contract, not to sell them, but since that was never specified.... See, that's shady dealing. But that's not using a faulty game mechanic to rip off someone. My character is a criminal, a rogue, but the player is not.
You (generic you) can be a rogue I think, looking for occasions to come ahead in any deal, without becoming a griefer. Different playstyles I have no problem with, but that argument don't hold water I think in this case anymore than it would (extreme example, I agree) if a cloning center camper was telling me that killing someone as soon as they clone is a playstyle to him.
Nothing I said to Boot was intended at a flame, and nor is this post. Nor am I calling anyone here griefers. But I would call griefer a Smuggler who for example would be systematically keeping to himself the stuff entrusted to him for slicing. Granted, it would also be a Smuggler without any slicing contract fairly soon.
What other Smugglers charge to slice is not my business, I agree. One could say as standard reply to slice request "I charge 50k per slice, take it or leave it" and I would keep silent. To conduct shady dealings is one thing. To use in game mechanics to rip off another player hurt every other Smugglers.
For example.... the Smuggler who helped me a lot when I started seemed very generous,gave me access to ressources and stuff. I was buying my clamps and precision knives and WUK from his vendor. It is only later, when I reached slicing IV and got a slicing contract with a local WS, that I realised he had a deal with that same WS, and part of the deal was that the WS was making WUK and AUK for him and was giving him free ressources to make clamps and precision laser knives. So that Master Smuggler was making tools using the free ressources and then was selling part of thoses on his vendor. The WS can complain that he is giving ressources to make tools for the slicing contract, not to sell them, but since that was never specified.... See, that's shady dealing. But that's not using a faulty game mechanic to rip off someone. My character is a criminal, a rogue, but the player is not.
You (generic you) can be a rogue I think, looking for occasions to come ahead in any deal, without becoming a griefer. Different playstyles I have no problem with, but that argument don't hold water I think in this case anymore than it would (extreme example, I agree) if a cloning center camper was telling me that killing someone as soon as they clone is a playstyle to him.
Nothing I said to Boot was intended at a flame, and nor is this post. Nor am I calling anyone here griefers. But I would call griefer a Smuggler who for example would be systematically keeping to himself the stuff entrusted to him for slicing. Granted, it would also be a Smuggler without any slicing contract fairly soon.
Message Edited by LaughingWolf on 01-11-2005 10:22 AM
Zhagadska
Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:26 pm
#1478
this whole post has turned rather serious....time to bring the chuckle back....
wish i had something funny to say
JTGAlpha
Tue Jan 11, 2005 2:17 pm
#1479
Yeah, the reason we have to be honest in our dealings is we are asking people, "Hey, give me your valuables. I promise I won't steal them." If they won't do that, then we don't make money slicing either, or ask for money up front for faction deals.No trust, no customers.
So I was standing around a starport, and I'm hawking a Life Day painting I...acquired. This wookiee gives me a tell.
"How much?"
"750k."
"I'll give you 10k."
Now honestly. Is that any way to haggle? Am I wearing a sign? Do I still have turnips sticking to me from the truck? Bannanas from the boat? I know what mywears are worth. Sigh.
KJFett
Tue Jan 11, 2005 2:32 pm
#1480
JTGAlpha wrote:
Yeah, the reason we have to be honest in our dealings is we are asking people, "Hey, give me your valuables. I promise I won't steal them." If they won't do that, then we don't make money slicing either, or ask for money up front for faction deals.No trust, no customers.
So I was standing around a starport, and I'm hawking a Life Day painting I...acquired. This wookiee gives me a tell.
"How much?"
"750k."
"I'll give you 10k."
Now honestly. Is that any way to haggle? Am I wearing a sign? Do I still have turnips sticking to me from the truck? Bannanas from the boat? I know what mywears are worth. Sigh.
Say..."okay"....bring up the trade window...place it in the window....check the trade box.....don't click accept....and go to dinner.....they will realize after 30 minutes that you aren't going to sell it to them. What works even better is if you type some huge sum of money in there as well...like you are paying them 10Mil to take it off your hands.... 
MISTagent01
Tue Jan 11, 2005 2:32 pm
#1481
I had my VERY first absolute newbie geta slice yesterday. I had logged in really quick and he asks me if I can slice his gun...
him: hi can u slice my guns?
me: sure, how many do you have?
him: 1 gun
me: ok, that's 10K for the slice.
him: im sorry i dont have that much
me (trying to be reasonable) : ok, well maybe we can strike a deal...how much do you have?
him: 250 credits? can u plz slice for dmg?
me (sensing that he has more money than he's letting on, so I try something different) : well, the stuff I use to slice for damage costs a lot of credits, so if you want it to be random, I'll slice for 250c. If you want a damage slice, I'll have to charge you the full 10K.
him: oh...ok, how about 5K?
me (laughing pretty hard now) : ok, I'll take 5K, but there's only a 75% chance you'll get damage.
*guy trades me a CDEF pistol and 'a jar of spice'*
me: um,what is thisjar?
him:ithought itwas yours...a thug dropped it,didhe steal it fromu or something?
/sigh
So I slice his gun, praying the whole time, and lo and behold, damage. Got lucky I guess.
*trade back the CDEF*
him: wow! ur a great smuggler! thx!
*he tips me 15K and walks off*
/boggle 
JTGAlpha
Tue Jan 11, 2005 2:34 pm
#1482
Anika...ha! Good call. But no, too much trouble. I wanted to sell the sumbatch. Which I did a couple of days later...for 750k. q