Rifleman Archive

Thread: Not Overpowered

kpr
Tue Feb 03, 2004 9:08 pm
#1

I usaually dont post a whole lot but Im tired of the tells telling me Im an overpowered class. Then I have to spend the next few minutes explaining why Im not. Well just to get it all done he we go.


1) WE HAVE NO KNOCKDOWN DEFENSE

2) WE DONT HAVE A KNOCKDOWN MOVE (and before u tell me to use dizzy and supression fire, a novice bh told me to try that and while he spamed suppression fire on me as a test i was on autofire, he was incaped at the same moment i went to kneeling. If i had been moving and fireing specials for more damage then this will not happen. Suppression fire is not viable in pvp)

3) WE HAVE NO DELAY MOVES (If u get hit with a 10 sec delay in pvp, your most likely gonna die, as most pvp combat takes less time than that anyways to finish)

4) OUR STAT MITIGATION MOVES OUR POINTS FROM HEALTH AND ACTION (the 2 stats hit the most) AND MOVE THEM TO MIND

5) HIGH HAM COSTS

6) UNABLE TO WEAR ARMOR CAUSE OF STAT MITIGATION AND HAM COSTS (Unless we are buffed out the wazoo and druged up on muon, I personally dont know anybody else besides rifleman who will buy 20 crates fo muon gold at a time. The cost and time factor to get mind, health, and action buffs, let alone the time, is excrutiating.)



Now on to what we have....
1) GOOD DAMAGE AND SPEED (But like bh I had to waste skill points for master marksman to fire that fast, though not as many as them)

2) GOOD ACCURACY (But our weapons are pretty horrible up close, unless you use the spraystick but its damage is pretty low too)

3) GOOD RANGED AND MELEE DEFENSE

4) STUN DAMAGE (but then again were not the only ones with it)


Now some of the worthless stuff in rifleman

1) POSTURE UP MOVES AND POSTURE UP DEFENSE (I mean come on who goes prone and cover in pvp?)

2) TAKING COVER (again nobody goes prone in pvp, and in pve you may go prone but why go into cover, it does noting for you)


Now my rant.....

1) If you get killed by a master in any proffession buy you are not a master yourself dont send whiney tells to me about how im overpowered, Im a master, I should beat you.

2) Rifleman cant be beat.... not true, I die several times, but its usally the rifleman that gets prepared to go into pvp with buffs, drugs and food....only group i havent died to is a pikeman which I feel needs a whole lot of love from the devs.

3) The rifleman that are really hard to beat are the cross breads with TKA and another class to give them really tough stats...but the last i heard this was getting nerfed anyways which should reduce the amount of rifleman out there.

4) You shot my bike.....well I would say Im sorry but I wont, maybe because people shoot up my pets when i die so its turn and turn about.

5) I wasnt looking for a fight...Then dont go overt...duh.

6) Looks like someone else jumped on the band wagon....umm I was a rifleman before our boost and infact had another on a friends computer before I got my own and got my own account.

7) Loser...I was told this but I laughed, 6 imps (and they suck at pvp too) with 2 atst, against me( had another join me half way through this conflict) and at the end of it all they had killed me 10 times and I in turn db'd there group 9 times, how am I the loser?

8) I didnt say you could use pets....when in a duel some have complained that I sick a rancor on them, hey you healed yourself doing it, i dont have medic skills, plus I spent my points on this part of combat to have big critters, dont you think Im gonna use it?

9) Your headshot is better than a bh's eyeshot....I beg to differ, our headshot uses up our mind while eyeshot uses action which is healable, and eyeshot can blind you which can make a difference in the fight.



Well if anybody has anything else to add go ahead. Id like to see what everybody has to offer to my lists.



Nevek
Master Rifleman(retired)
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bodines
Tue Feb 03, 2004 9:50 pm
#2

I agree Rifleman is not over powered and anyone who says so must not be a rifleman.



Bodines
linuxconfer
Tue Feb 03, 2004 10:01 pm
#3

/agree oh so much



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Twentytolife
Tue Feb 03, 2004 10:19 pm
#4

Ok crackheads.



Barb-Wire
Tue Feb 03, 2004 10:21 pm
#5

no we arent overpowered in the respect that we have a correct amount of damage output. where the problem lies is that we have bugged defenses that pretty much prevent us from takeing ranged hits that mean anything... this leads to nerfing because the devs tend to listen to whining novice marksmen more than the elite masters that spent the time to master...

we have three areas that were glaring holes in our power.

two areas: we suck close up for attacks and the melee penalty we had forced us to not go toe-to-toe at point blank. (both of which are removed due to dev intention and dev bug)

and the third ham costs (these are going to change real soon and the chef revamp will pretty much make this a non issue anymore for us)

with most of our weaknesses removed we HAVE become or will VERY soon become truly overpowered. we need to stop this before the devs start nerfing without our input.



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jaymind72
Tue Feb 03, 2004 10:54 pm
#6

As far as the defenses being out of wack - well tonight I got owned by a carbineer. This guy had everything migrated to health and action, no mind. I went prone at 64m,/mindshot1; /headshot2;/headshot2;/headshot2 - all misses! I'm not a Master yet, but come on... He threw a KD my way, knocked me down and started to beat on me. I finally got up and noticed my bleed almost has him down. I hit /headshot;/headhsot - 2 misses again in a row, then he KD'd me for the last time - I couldn't get up at all. And he was not a master.



I know rifleman suck before master, but come on. 5 shots that missed, and he hits both times with a KD. He never missed me from 64/63m!



I want nothing else, but just a little KD defense. H shouln't be easily zapping me at 64m - his accuracy should be shot to hell at that range.



I just want some KD defense - just a little, not being greedy here.





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MattSalcetti
Tue Feb 03, 2004 10:59 pm
#7

All the people who complain but have never shot a t21 themselves don't understand that we don't get to blind them, or make them unable to attack or knock them down as many times as one wishes.


However i find it funny that in terms of pure DPS with proper focus buffs i can outdo any other profession that i've seen.


Seflyn
Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:03 pm
#8

/agree with Barb-Wire.
We were not overpowered with 2.5x melee damage, with super bugged melee defence we are way overpowered at close range imo.



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Asuph
Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:15 pm
#9

The problem is not that you are overpowered. Its that your guns are more powerfull than any other weapon, short of Heavy weapons. And your ability to Dot the mind pool, heavily, from 64 meters.


Dont get me wrong. Rifles are suposed to be powerfull, and it is the hardest ranged class to level, unless you through BH in there.


Another thing people look at is your damage types, and AP level. As far as i know, you have the only Heavy AP weapon in the game, other than heavies. You get the strongest Stun damage weapon in the game. You will soon have an AP2 Acid rifle as well. (I really hope they fix the heavy acid rifle before they release this, or we will loose many Commandos im sure...)


There are also some bugs now, which allow double and triple mastery stacking. Some people mistake the use of a rifle by these folk as the reason they cant be hit at all. This coupled with the fact that if your oponent missies 95% of the time, most of them use a T21 to top off ther PVP template.


You SHOULD be powerfull. As far as "Powerfull" and its meaning goes, I look at it this way. If i wanted to use these guns, Id become a rifleman, If im not a rifleman, I dont get a vote on weather they are "too powerfull" or not.


Oncethe devs finaly realize, that fixing other broken professions, the "Your class is overpowered" crap will slow down to a crawl.


Asuph
doltec
Wed Feb 04, 2004 7:01 am
#10

Im getting tired of my pa leader telling me that i need to be nerfed because of conceal shot. He is a freakin TKM in the time it takes me to take out 1 piket he kills three. Oh yeah he takes damage big woop de doop, He can heal it by praying for a few seconds. I have to sacrfice my health and action in order to get the mind to actually stay in a fight. I have learned how to fight animals using only 400 health and action. I am not a CH so when I hunt alone I am the only thing standing inbetween myincap and the creatures death. It has taken time and preseverence to get where i am and i am not a master.


i finally got feed up with him last night, after he hit on my fiancee. I planned on getting my butt kicked. However, i had paid a doc to buff my health and action bars about 1 hr before. I challenged him and he accepted withing 10m of me. before i could fire a shot he had hit me three times for over 400 pts of damage. Good thingI have a decent spraystick. I took off and spammed hs 3 6 times, hs2 10 times. And ran away. Niether one of us was wearing armor. I took him down. Got him lost in his own screen and buildings. Its not that we are overpowered. Its that because of our cirucmstances we have to adjust and learn how to play our class very carefully. TKM's run in and level everything in a matter of few seconds. I have to take time, distance, dots, escape routes, drink, food, and drugs to keep me fighting.


He got ticked when i was down to 50 mind against a piket, without wearing armor, and all the sudden my mind takes a 455pt leap. He is too busy spamming attacks. I watch my mind bar and tend it like shepherd tends his sheep with care and attention.


I do agree though we need a melee damage multiplier or something applied against us within 10-15m I get hit less often than my TKM pa leader. I have taken it upon myself to be the tank for groups fighting weak creatures. And that just shouldnt be happening.






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ga2
Wed Feb 04, 2004 8:36 am
#11

finally a thread that makes sense. thank god! That other thread about suppposed rifleman asking to have themselves nerfed is the absolute worst thread i have ever seen on a forum. We are def not overpowered. The thread has to be a hoax. At close range combat i'm horrible!!!!!!!! I'm sick of it, but that is the way it's supposed to be. This class is good the way it is. don't take away our speed mods. it's the only thing that keeps other player/animals at bay. without that we're done!
Ygu
Wed Feb 04, 2004 8:41 am
#12

It's not a hoax. When you reach master rifleman, you'll start getting bored of killing so many people so easily, trust me. The only time TKAs get me is if I duel them starting at 20m.
jphillips1868
Wed Feb 04, 2004 9:06 am
#13

Just made master last night. And while getting the master box is a big increase, rifleman is a truly balanced profession for the reason listed above.
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