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Thread: I think weve misunderstood what Rifleman means

goalieman392
Sun Dec 28, 2003 11:11 pm
#1

Ok when i first chose rifleman as my prof and read about it i immediatley thought sniper. but then when the servers were down i was playing Ghost recon(second best game ever) and i noticed Rifleman carried M16s. what if the rifleman prof was intended to be this type of soldier the kind that can hit at long distance but nota one shot kill guy. the only reason its called a rifleman is cuz they used a rifle which has a rifled barrel that is a lil more accurate than a machine gunner or a pistol. so maybe this is just the point of a rifleman ...while he can train in the sniper prof a lil bit with the sniper tree he is more a long range support kind of guy....think about it happy hunting


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RebRifle
Sun Dec 28, 2003 11:42 pm
#2

Old news.

Zeritul
Mon Dec 29, 2003 3:14 pm
#3

Umm, sorry but a M16 is not a carbine by definition, it is a rifle. I have been in the military for 14 years, it is actually called a M16A1(or A2, A3) rifle. An AK-47 is also a rifle, so is an M60 machine gun(though it is extreme). Examples of a carbine are an UZI, MAC-10, and an MP5. Carbines generally have a fast rate of fire and 90% of them fire pistol ammunition(.45 cal. and 9mm are most common carbine rounds) and most can be fired from the shoulder or not. Just a bit of info.
RebRifle
Mon Dec 29, 2003 3:18 pm
#4

A carbine is a lowcal rifle.
Milgram
Mon Dec 29, 2003 5:01 pm
#5

No, carbines are a high cal. .45 and 9mm dwarf the M16's .223/5.56mm bullet. Carbines have shorter barrels and often stocks, allowing them to be used in tighter situations, such as cities and indoors, where turning speed is important. The Army uses the M16A2 Rifle, and the M4 Carbine. The M4 has a colapsable stock, and a short barrel, while the M16A2 has a longer barrel, and a solid stock.

M16's and AK47's are "Assault Rifles" meaning that they have potential for a high rate of fire, as well as adaquite ranged accuracy. The M16 can hit a man sized target at 300 meters (500 if you kick ass) and the AK47 is pretty close to that. Carbines are not as accurate at these distances because they do not have the long barrel or the bullet velocity of the rifles.

In the army infantry squad, you have grenadeers, rifleman and automatic riflemen. The auto usually has a SAW (squad automatic weapon, belt feed, high rate of fire, and large amo capacity) the riflemen M16's, and the Grenadeer has a M203 underbarrel grenade launcher. The role of the auto rifle is to lay down high volume suppressive fire, while the riflemen shoot 1-2 shots a second.

RL combat is more about suppression, and less about dealing mad damage. While the squad can and does shoot to inflict direct casualties, the suppression fire is more important, allowing a second squad to flank the pinned target, or fixing the target so it can be neutralized with mortars, artilary, or aircraft (or TKMs)

Unless there is a major, major, major (major) overhaul on the combat system, it does not reflect real life combat, so no arguements from real life should be used. 64 meters is nothing. That is close range for a rifle. 50 meters is the end of a pistol's effective range where he *will* hit you. Flamers? Well, 16m sounds about right.




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BlasterForHire
Tue Dec 30, 2003 1:20 am
#6

it's named that in Ghost because the us military does not use the term carbineer.


however, an M-16 is a carbine by definition-- favoring a higher volume of fire over accuracy.


your description best applies to carbineers as a class.

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