Rifleman Archive
Thread: Sorry guys, Rifleman needs a nerf.
Kurrin,
You haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about. Oh no, you need to take food to not use HAM? Oh No! You're right, you don't need a nerf. You know, because there are absolutely no consequences to taking food right now, other than not being able to take more food. It's pretty easy to get 1700 focus, even with a full suit of composite on, and without taking drugs. DO you know what the HAM costs are when spamming headshot3 or strafe2 with a 40 mind cost Jawa Ion Rifle? Zero, nada, nothing, zip. Guess what HAM cost you get with 1700 focus (respectively, strength, etc are also buffed that high) when spamming strafe2 with any 80 mind cost or less rifle - the same as with the 40, genius. No ham costs, complete spammage of your crazy over-accurate, to fast, and to powerful shots with your overpowered stun weapon, just for taking food.
So guess what, any Rifleman worth his ass doesn't go into battle without buffing his focus now. If you still don't, sigh, then you are way behind the times - and you should probably stop hiding from the truth like an idiot. However, if you set out with your post trying to prove yourself as the "thread idiot" in this thread - you have remarkably accomplished your task, and therefore I applaud you.
If not, throw your monitor out the window.
Ugh. Where to begin with you winterclyde, where to begin.
Maybe I should make a movie of my Master Rifleman friend with 200 ranged defence burst running around anchorhead not missing a shot. Buffed opponents with full sets of composite go down in 3-4 master headshots from his Jawa. Hmm, WHILE BURST RUNNING, at 15 metres. He still doesn't miss anyone that doesn't also stack fencer/tka defence.
As I said, which you apparently read but did not comprehend, I was a master rifleman prepatch and post patch for weeks. You also argue you can't even wear a full set of composite? Wow, now you're getting a little to newbish for me. Ever heard of buffs my friend? Do you even know what PvP stands for? (No really, please answer that - because according to your reply, you don't)
You claim Rifleman are hindered when not enhanced wearing a full set of composite. WELL WELL. I must applaud you for coming up withthat one. Considering.. the same rings true for get this: EVERY profession.
"I've no idea what you're talking about."
That's because you are a flurb/idiot who is truely out of touch with his profession, this game, and what it takes to win in PvP.
"HeadShot3 israrely, if ever, used by Rifleman,"
ahhahhahAHHAHAHAHHAhahhahahhHAHahaha *pasue for breath*
ahahHAHAhahhahaHAHHAhhhahahahahhahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.. oh man..
"MindShot1 & MindShot2 aren't effective in PVP, due to the 20 second delaytimer for each tick of the bleed."
Or 10 seconds, nub?
"Ideas that change a profession are never completely agreed upon. I assume you say "...agreed upon by any respectable PVP'er...", because you don't respect anyone who disagrees with you. "
Actually most of the Rebel 'respectable' PvP'ers (as in, have won tournaments, are famous on the server for their high K
ratio, have incredibly insane equipment, etc) I despise with a passion, and I stop at nothing to hunt them down, but that doesn't mean I don't respect the fact that they know how to play this game. And they ALL know that Rifleman is to powerful.
You have been regulated Winterchylde. I doubt you ever PvP much. But please, please don't. You will lose all your armor, twice.
With musician buffs, a human rifleman can have 2200 focus, another 400 if he shoves a ryshcate down his throat. Even with heavy armour weighing 800 on his HAM, his specials will hardly dent his mind.
I tried PVPing yesterday as a master rifleman.I was fully buffed my doctor and a musician. I'm a zabrak who has maxxed out his mind stats (1000/500/900. 1000/1000/1800 with musician buffs). Wearing 800 encumberance composite (you need this for PVP, but you know this, offcourse), and having eaten a ryshcate, my headshot 2 with my tusken rifle (48 mind cost) were costing me 102 mind points.
Their is the balance of rifles power (although we dont really need melee defense mods NOR the removal of the 2,5 melee mod). But as a human, you cant see this. Had this bug been fixed, it would be a different story for those spamming their rifle shots.
Fix human sub stat bugs
Tipsy makes a good effort defending his stance, so props. You are still wrong. You have been master too long and need to redo the hike back up. Rifleman at low levels is painful. 1k damage every 3-5 seconds if you are lucky. Until, of course, you get alll the ability treeand/or master. Can you agree with that?
Master has its huge payoffs, the 90 speed and nice accuracy. But unless you are master- you are pretty useless. Now look at carbineer and pistoleer:
Pistoleer is the most dabbled profession. You dont have to master to be good in pvp. Anyone who argues against that, needs to try for themselves. Even a master rifleman will have troubly hitting a pistoleer with his 105 dodge. Not to mention that pistoleers can EASILY acquire a ranged KD and a delay move. Not to mention the PvE breaking feign death.
Carbineers can take up the BH carbineer line. They have awesome specials (i mastered this too btw) and can put you down and keep you down. Not much else can be said. Their crazy action cost is simply countered by one tat sunburn.
Now, to have a prayer in pvp as a rifleman, you need MR and master marksman, or some crazy speed enhancing skill tapes. Only by our rapid spamming of mind killing specials can we have a chance. Unlike other professions, we have to be totally doped up to be effective. Even with the humans stat exploit.
Now about stun damage, there is really no arguement here. the jawa rifle and the t21 both tear right through composite armor. Whose fault is that? Definitely not ours or the devs. YOU MADE THE CHOICE TO WEAR COMPOSITE ARMOR. You dont need it to PvP. You dont need it period. You choose to wear it. So our weak jawa rifle is only effective because you think you can be a god wearing comp armor. Shame on you for crying nerf on us for your choices.
Now, who is better in PvP? a grenadier? or a master rifleman? I find that a grenadier will pwn my ass if he get s a burn on me. Commando is the end-game in pvp. Their burn is almost unstoppable in fast paced pvp. They hit you with it and most of the time you go down (unless you are prepared with a pixie or a flameout).
So you see, we are not "overpowered" by any means. We dont have the highest damage shots (crippleshot in carbineer is 7.5 *i believe*), we dont have the highest speed (tkm and fencer have what? 120?), we DO have the highest accuracy.... but to what point? pistoleers hit just as much (or more) at 64m than we do at 10-20.
Last point, look at our defenses, then look at everyone elses. The ranged and melee defense are not much. I would rather have the 50% kd that pistoleers and fencers have ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. But that is how we are compensated same as TKM- high damage capability, weak defenses.
Please shut your mouth and dont start posts like this til you can view the whole picture. Just because a few skilled players do well with rifleman doesny mean you have the right to nerf the whole profession. All of your points that you have made COULD be valid, but the way this game is set up, they are not.
I hope i touched all your so-called "points" against rifleman. Nothing personal- but you still come off as overly aggressive and rather ignorant in your posts.
Someone did a few tests a while back and it seems asif most pistol specials get an automatic +50 to accuracy, socomparing the accuracy of pistols Vs rifles based solely upon the information in the skills boxes is wrong.
I don't like the melee defence, it's wrong unless 2.5x melee damage is put back in, but crying about riflemen being overpowered when you're playing a TKA is a joke.
Another point, I've done a couple of tests and it seems as if TKA gets hit more often than rifle while in melee, leading me to think that either:
a)Melee defence isn't stacking.
b) Melee defence gained from ranged professions doesn't work when you're using fists.
c) The bonus to hit a person using a ranged weaponwhen in melee,the one thatwas meant to be replacing the 2.5x melee damage modifier, was mistakenly given to melee weapons or fists.
Personally I wouldn't be surprised to find it was C, and that rifles shouldn't be so hard to hit when in melee. However I also have a problem with the idea that just because you have burstrun up it should = autoincap for any ranged profession you come accross.
I see you all are still trying to compare apples and potatoes. TKM is melee Rifleman is ranged... both are (currently) the damage dealers of their respective combat class. I can keep any character on the ground for the length of an entire battle using my TKM skills. Its called kd1, kd2, dizzy, lunge1, and warcry. If you are a TKM and cant utilize these skills, god save you.
It is YOUR fault you lost to him. Quit your bitching. Know your opponents and develop a starategy to beat them. Why would you even try fighting one out of melee range? Here's a tip- duck behind something and make him come to you. You wont die hiding and you can have a buddy divert his attenion. BURST RUN AT HIM. Pop a lunge1 at 20m and move in for the kd2 (kd and dizzy) spam your mindshot1 and the battle is over. IF he gets up he will have no mind= no specials. I say if because if you have any skills HE WONT GET UP. Now, if he has 2k mind that could be a problem. But again applying the proper strategies he WILL go down. You should be able to keep him on the ground for at least a minute- giving you time to evaluate the situation and/or run away.
That said, pack up your bags and get the hell out of the rifleman forum. Trolling for nerfs is a VERY bad thing at this time. You are only gonna get it shoved back in your face for not paying attenion- WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A COMBAT OVERHAUL. If you cant accept that- go back to killing womp rats.
I swear its noobs taht buy accounts on ebay that ruin the game for us.
/rantoff
I'm sorry man, but i'm going to have to say that you "are noobs and non masters of our professions" because all you would need to do is gtef him with about three knuckle dragging tkm's, and his ass would be on the ground twitching as you plowed him.
I am a master rifleman with +7 speed from tapes and armor attatchments, and i must say, rifleman is god's own profession. Of course, i need to build all the rest of my skillpoints around the fact that even wearing no armor, and with 1100 focus, i still take 89 mind damage each time i shoot my stocked t21. I cant even imagine how much damage i would take if my doc skills didn't allow me to put all my points into my mind.
Rifleman defenently has some HUGE drawbacks. If TKMs took 100+ points of mind damage every time they did a special i would have a little more sympathy for them. If Riflemen could dizzy/KD everybody then beat them up on the ground, i would agree with you.
Sometimes rifle just rules. A master rifleman vs h2h profession a b or c will dominate almost 100% of the time if the rifleman gets to start at 40+ meters out. Simple as that. Sorry to say it, but seriously, get some tactics. I get taken out by TKM's all the time. They just are smart, and use the terain to their advantage, then warcry me and lunge me to my knees. At long range, a rifleman should dominate.
Xytroncore wrote:One class isn't supposed to win every bloody time, and Rifleman don't.
Play on Tarq, ONE riflemen singlehandedly kills at least 100 imps every day in theed...a mix of pistoleers/commandos/BHs/smugglers/TKs/fencers ...he rarely every dies. And don't tell me that all of us are noobs and non masters of our proffessions because you're wrong, the guy even kills AT-STs....I don't know where you get the idea that master riflemen don't own all the time...
Sorry, i ment to quote this post in mine above.
me and a group of guys reaid AH constantly. and everytime i die its a tkm. EVERYTIME NOTHING BUT TKM KILL ME . stupid tkm whine cause they can get shot. why not shoot back, ioh, u dont got a gun , THEN GET ONE U FOOKING SMACKTARD QUIT YHOUR BITCHIN . I get kd/dizzy at 15m i dont know how but it happens. i m running and then i kd/dizzy gand cant get up, whhy not oh now i remmeber no kd defense.
IF U R GETTING OWNED BY A RIFLEMAN THE
KNOCK HIS ASS DOWN U TARD
KNOCK DOWN+NO KD DEFNSE MEANS CANT GET UP
Xytroncore, you are lieing about the damage a TKM does in PvP. you say 350 max? sorry no. I do up to 650 max WITHOUT A VK. Im TKM/MRM so I know what im talking about. I dont want a TKA nerf either, I just want people to stop whining about professions. You wanna beat a MRM? go pistoleer/smuggler/tka/fencer. nothing will stop you with that template. thats even overkill for a rifleman, all you need is a good gun and a master pistoleer will take us out. its all about tactics
sorry if the topic has changed, i only read the first page before i posted.