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Thread: TKM outdamaging t21 rifles 4 to 1 ... we suck or what?

Ragu_TIO
Sat Jan 24, 2004 11:57 pm
#40

Its easy


Rifleman = high dmg at far


TKA = high dmg at close


the only way to stop a TKA from beating you down is 70%+ comp armor sp to kinetic and same goes for riflmean but with energy.
Eaca
Sat Jan 24, 2004 11:58 pm
#41

No, with rifleman the only way to keep them from killing you is to kill them first. Jawa's cut thru armor like a hot knife thru butter
bounty77
Sun Jan 25, 2004 12:31 am
#42






AlmightySaber wrote:
**edit** Yoyu **edit**! I am so sick of ure **edit**ing trolling in TKA forums, and now u got to degrade the rifleman forum with more of ure **edit**? Grow up u little 12 year old. First and foremost i can guarantee u that in 9 out of 10 times a master Rifleman will beat the **edit** out of a TKM. And I know cause i am both a TKA and Rifleman. TKA and Rifles are one of the Few professions that ACTUALLY **edit**ING WORK!!!! I dont understand y u **edit**ing nerfheders have to ruin the game for all us othger people. **edit** U!!!!!!






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Voivode
Sun Jan 25, 2004 7:14 am
#43

Dont use T21 then, we have better options .. you know .

Wookiee Master Rifleman/Master Combat Medic.



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GUTB
Sun Jan 25, 2004 7:15 am
#44

And now, for the rational response.


So. How do your get 6K+ damage IN ONE SHOT. From any post-nerf, crafted rifle? You cannot, unless you include shooting something with no armor rating, no resists, with a massively damage-sliced, damage-modded, damage-experimented-taped T21 abusing the Strafeshot2 bug supposing the top range of possible damage.


And you crafters better start stocking up tissue papers because there will be a huge demand for them soon when Strafe2 is fixed. Get ready to cry bitter tears, boys.


Have ANY of you faced a Master Doctor-buffed, mediatted, power-boosted TKM hepped up on spice and foods wearing advanced armor? If you have not, than shut up. You have not known utter helplessness before.
Voivode
Sun Jan 25, 2004 7:38 am
#45

(...)Have ANY of you faced a Master Doctor-buffed, mediatted, power-boosted TKM hepped up on spice and foods wearing advanced armor? If you have not, than shut up. (....)

He still can be beaten.. learn and adapt, just look at opponent before you pick a weapon. If you tried to kill such a guy with a T21, you would be a toast. In other words dont try to kill a guy in full set of composite with a T21 or a laser rifle. Just pull out a jawa rifle, use mindshot/headshots (repeat mindshot if he 1st aids) and run around as if the whole hell was burning, if he catches up with you 1 KD/dizzy combo== game over, if he doesnt catch you, you are the winner.

Jawa ion rifle works just fine on all the guys in composite armor, even better the fact that they wear the composite, makes them easier to kill .

Master Rifleman/Master Combat Medic



Voyevode - ICE Dragons officer


The last pvping wookiee ...
/wookieeroar
Daboora
Sun Jan 25, 2004 7:39 am
#46

Stop comparing Novice Riflemen to Tera Kasi Masters


Daboora


_Flash_
Sun Jan 25, 2004 11:48 am
#47

yea? I'm a 0-0-0-1 Rifleman and I can kd a tka from 64m. Some people need to learn their freaking profession before they throw their little nerf fits at the others.


God why can you people just leave this game the way it is?



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JiveTimeMofo
Sun Jan 25, 2004 3:21 pm
#48

same way as claiming a tka mater hits for 3-4k, under best condtions. even w/ a 30% energy resistmy normalt21 w/ a 30% slice and 30% power up will hit for 6316. that's 9023 w/ no armor/resists.


a tka will only deal kinetic, one of the most popular dmg types to have resists against. the 4000+ hit is only done w/ vibroknucklers on a kd'ed mob, with no resists nor armor.


if a "perfect" scenario is going to be made then it has to apply to every profession. the t21 dmg is even done w/o a kd. put flushing/supression on a humaniod and add the kd dmg mod.


don't forget strafe 2 is AoE, every target in the cone get's dealt the dmg. so shouldn't multi targets come into play with dps?



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_Flash_
Sun Jan 25, 2004 8:24 pm
#49

hehe


I have absolutely NO intention of anyone getting nerfed, I dont want anyone to. I posted this screenshot i took in the other thread that DCI started in the tka forum, and he is a rifleman himself. Check out how much this dude did on a tusken, (strafeshot2) and he was hittin that much every time. + its AoE. Again, I seriously do not want rifleman OR tka to get nerfed, since i have both of those classes on my characters.


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GUTB
Sun Jan 25, 2004 8:29 pm
#50

Get your tissue paper ready for bitter tears when the devs get around to fixing starfe2. It isn't going to stay bugged for much longer.
Telakyte
Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:15 pm
#51

k, i've been pvping for awhile, seen alota stuff. Basically put...the game is screwed in many points of pvp interest Yeah I can believe the tka powerness. I also know a buffed master rifleman is raw power. I go to bestine, see bout 4 overts, boom dead overts (well...until they brought out the atst. Then even with buffs I was forced to bend over). Ah, stories around the campfire...this one time, at Rebel Marine camp, I found a t21....................


But really, we've all seen alota wierd stuff in pvp. It happens. It's an unrealistic form of gameplay. Why do I do it? A: love seeing a dead opponent that's actually attempting to do something he's not programmed from start to do. B: faction C: Makes me feel like i'm actually involved with other people (even if they are dying). One time a TKA took down my poor buffed 2k mind in 3 hits. (Course I was stupid for getting bored and following him into a cloning center with 10-range radius). So yeah, I've seen crazy hits. Also dished out the insane ones too. 2 headshots...dead. 2 strafings2's....dead.


In the long run, complaining about PVP isn't worth it unless you're bringing up something productive to all, and keep in mind what the real problem is....radar. While we're on the rant, why not. Radar...kills you before you see your opponent. Radar... the one reason a rifleman won't be a sniper. Radar...the one reason a TKA has to charge open field towards a rifleman in the first place. Radar....the reason I can't use my nify camo clothes and hide in the bushes (whether because i'm with that special someone or sniping, makes no difference).


THUS THE RANT....ENDS!!!


/endrant





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Sotaudi
Mon Jan 26, 2004 5:33 am
#52




Ackew wrote:


Please tell me how you get 6k per second on ONE target with a NORMAL rifle when the best i have ever done is 3.5k with a very well made laser rifle with a damage slice and a 33% power up. NO i'm not a master rifleman but i'm NOT qustioning the speed of your attack only the armount of damage. Yes i KNOW adv straft does a lot of damage but only cause of a bug does it hit the same target more than once. NO ham costs you MUST be cheating.





First, "No HAM costs": Strength,Quickness, and Focusmitigate the costs of Health, Action, and Mindfrom using specials. Constitution, Stamina, and Willpower affect the rate of recovery of those pools. Properly migrated stats, along with buffs, foods, and spices can get thesesecondaries high enough to where specials cost very little HAM and what HAM is used is recovered very quickly (at least until they make the proposed HAM cost changes). Thus, you can effectively shoot with no HAM costs. This is not cheating.


Second, no, it does not take any bug to achieve a 6K hit with a T21 using Strafeshot2.


Reversing the normal damage calculations (see the FAQs for formulas forcalculating damage), I can determine that against, say, an unarmored target with 5% energy resists, Strafeshot2 with an AP3 (heavy armor piercing) weapon (i.e., the T21)can hit for 6K or better with a base damage roll of 431 or better. For a Laser using Strafeshot2, you would have to hit a base damage roll of 538 or better to get a 6K or more hit. Both of these numbers are easily achieveable with a "normal" rifle.


I do not recall the stats on my current T21, but my last one (a post-nerf model) got a 35% damage slice and with a 33% max damage powerup; it was doing 176 - 620. That means that it would hit for 431 or better (and therefore, 6K or betteragainst that target) fully 57% of the time with that rifle.






Sotaudi Crestlighter
Master Rifleman / Master Combat Medic
"The Physician's Pain Reference"

Former Professions
Master Doctor | Master Swordsman | Master Brawler
Master Scout | Ranger



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