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bountyhunter229

Thu Jan 22, 2004 1:00 am

I dont feel so unbalanced in PvP. I still get owned by TKMs or anyone with warcry and KD abilities. I only PvP in group situitions, not 1 on 1. Maybe I'm doing it wrong lol but I'm not all powerful.

It is a long and hard road to get to master rifleman. IMO it is harder then the other ranged profs because they are doing more DPS at lower levels then us. Also, we get bad defenses.

Why is everyone callng for the nerf for us?

I think the problem is that most riflemen master their profession. Lots of people dabble in Pistoleer and Carbines and have the oppertunity to pickup lines in BH and Smug to augment their skills. We have no other options but to master ours, and marksman, to be effective. I think what we are seeing is dabblers in other professions complaining because a master rifleman beat them.

I know pistoleers / fencers / smugglers who are way more powerful then I am, and doc TKMs who are invincibe.

Jeisyn

Thu Jan 22, 2004 1:25 am

#41

i agree with bountyhunter229 to an extent -

as JUSt master rifleman, there's no need to nerf. i mean really - we're quite balanced imo.

I think what people are whining about is the human rifleman with mind buffs (of whatever kind) who stack master melee professions on top of their rifle skills and become very tough/hard to kill/dealing excellent dmg.

that's the only thing warranting a look at, imo. and i say this as one of the people who has stacked everything he could.

master rifleman on it's own is VERY balanced. defense is average, KD's go right through, fragility at less than 30m, etc.

but then again - people who spend all their skill points on combat are SUPPOSED to be good at it..

/shrug

does this alone warrant a nerf to rifleman?

carbineers KD rifleman and win.

pistoleers dodge a lot of shots - most are stacked with BH/smuggler/Fencer = tough mofo.

BH's..well, eyeshot and carbine shots = evil, llc is evil when yer KD'd...

TKM's hand us our asses at -25m

Fencers are hard to hit and can dizzy/lunge/blind/beat the hell out of us.

2hand sword does severe mind dmg as well

pikeman..well... god'luv'em, they got heart

whats the friggin problem?

bring back 2.5x melee dmg AT MASTER RIFLEMAN (4444 rifle and less don't need this) - and call it a day.

stacking stuff is a whole different matter.

Col. Jeisyn Blackwell

Rebel Alliance

-RECON-

Xytroncore

Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:41 am

#42

Issik wrote:

This assclown has clue how ap works.

Composite is LIGHT armor. Jawa Ion is LIGHT armor piercing. Assuming 40% stun resists on composite, your 100 point Jawa shot will do 60 damage, as the armor rating and armor piercing cancel out and leave the resist.

And whoever had the 4000 pve shot doing 1000 PvP needs to try that. All player armor gives a MINIMUM of AR 1, plus resists. Take a T-21 and shoot an UN-ARMORED opponent. You get NO ap bonus. Haven't ever as far as I know.

lol and how many times do you shoot adv strafe for only 100 damage dumbass? Unless you're using a CDEF rifle you'll never shoot for less then 500 damage with a good rifle.

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Eaca

Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:48 am

#43

I have 97 rifle speed and a 500 damage T21, using strafe 2 it takes me a quite a bit longer than 10 seconds to take out a piket lair. The person who is making that statement is greatly mistaken.

Onichi

Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:00 am

#44

Xytroncore wrote:

lol and how many times do you shoot adv strafe for only 100 damage dumbass? Unless you're using a CDEF rifle you'll never shoot for less then 500 damage with a good rifle.

Man... you really need to get this huge chip you have on your shoulder amputated / quarterised or otherwise removed. Insulting people is going to get you nowhere except for in everybody's bad books. Which incedentally as far as Rifleman go, I think you already are.

So far, from what I can tell is your solution to everyones problem is to give Rifleman a 3 second speed cap.. Throw the rest out the window.. Excellent.. The problem with what you are suggesting is that everyone will be doing basically the same DPS...

Pistoleers will fire faster and doa small amount ofdamage per shot

Carbineers will fire moderately fast and do moderate damage per shot

Rifleman will fire slowly and do heavy damage per shot ( although by the sounds of things you want Rifles to do less damage than a AP0 Pistol )

The problem with this is that in the end, everyone is basically the same except for speed.. that does not sound very exciting to me.

What we are trying to do here and in this thread and the thread in the "In - Concept" forum is Define Rifleman as a uniqueprofession that has something special to offer in comparison to the other ranged professions. The other ranged professions should also have something special to offer their members. If you would take the time to read through the posts in that thread and this one and let the info sink in, you may see that more clearly. Instead you just choose to keep on and on about how we fire too fast.. or we do too much damage... or some guy who claims he can take out a Piket lair in 10 seconds ( which is grossly exaggerated by whoever said that )

So if you can't be constructive.. don't expect to get any respect here... or anywhere else..

I've probably wasted my breath and forum space by stating this but I had to get it down in writing.

Nuff said.

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T-Bone78

Thu Jan 22, 2004 9:06 am

#45

VS someone with ranged mit i rarely hit over 500. Like i said i avergage 250 damage a shot pve. And whomever said he was conceal shotting pikets lairs in 10 seconds, well that isn't so. Conceal shot using my t-21 does maybe 1500 damage on average. So you'll need at least 6 shots if you happen to hit 1 ham 6 times in a row which will never happen, that gives you abouy 9 seconds to kill a piket. A TKM can just run up to the whole herd and start beating the hell outta them. I've watched them do it. Or TKM stacked with other defenses can clear graul mauler lairs getting hit only 1-2 times. Now is that balanced? Show me a rifleman that hits over 70% of the time and can have opponents miss him 98% time.

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Jeisyn

Thu Jan 22, 2004 9:31 am

#46

all this coming from a Master Combat Medic who can take out a group of 50 buffed, stuffed, drugged composite-wearing uberEl1t3 defensive enemies in under20 seconds with mind poison and a cdef pistol.

i garauntee poison will receive a "fix" before rifle does.

really... get a life.

Col. Jeisyn Blackwell

Rebel Alliance

-RECON-

kpr

Thu Jan 22, 2004 9:32 am

#47

I dont know about u but most other classes have special moves that actually do something cool in pvp. Knockdown anybody. We have high damage but nothing good for side effects like knockdown. So in pvp its shoot and run not knockdown and fire like mad.

If the changes u propose went in the rifleman class would be dead. Same damage as everybody else and no specials.Except headshot but a few other classes can hit the head as well.

If the other classes had there specials fixed they would be ok. Considering posture up ability is soooo useful.

We have no defense for knockdown to help us out, so if a tkm gets within 20m of me Im dead, otherwise I kill them. Its the way it should be after all I have a longer range than them.

The only problem I see is with stacking that people are crying over, but they spent all there points on it so they should rock in pvp.

And if your gonna talk about buffs, drugs, and food users so they can spam for a long time realize this, most other classes dont need to spend soo much money on this stuff as we do.

Also one last point, a few other classes can dabble in others (bh with pistol or carbine anyone) to become truely exceptional killing machines.

So if you wanna tone riflemans damage down to others then give us kd, self buffs, and better stats defense so we atleast have a fighting chance in pvp, otherwise there will be alot of dead master riflemans on all the servers on both sides of the war.

Dont cry nerf, been hit with it and it suck believe me it doesnt solve anything.

Nevek

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JeremyClore

Thu Jan 22, 2004 9:55 am

#48

*stumbles drunkenly into thread*
*shotguns another beer*

/burp

"Nerf Riflemen", Itripi shouts slurring several words.

*crushes beer can against head*
*chucks crushed can at nearest MRM*
*equips armor with 100% resist to flames*

Muhahahaha

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bountyhunter229

Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:25 am

#49

Xytroncore wrote:
Dude, I just read a thread on your forum where a guy is clearing Piketlairs using conceal shot in like 10 seconds, and he's not even a master...lol, ya, you guys will be aching in PvE...lol, with conceal shot you'll never even be hit before you waste things in 3 shots.

I must be doing it wrong.

It takes me at least 20 mins to do a picket mission with /concealshot. And if I do get unlucky and get agro it is instant incap cuz my mind is all white. At least they don't DB.

bountyhunter229

Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:36 am

#50

Oh he said he killedA piket, that is one piket, in 10 secs. It must have been a baby lol. You can not kill a picket with 3 conceal shots sorry.

Xytroncore why lie and hate so much? If you can't beat us, join us lol.

Issik

Thu Jan 22, 2004 1:01 pm

#51

This assclown has clue how ap works.

Composite is LIGHT armor. Jawa Ion is LIGHT armor piercing. Assuming 40% stun resists on composite, your 100 point Jawa shot will do 60 damage, as the armor rating and armor piercing cancel out and leave the resist.

And whoever had the 4000 pve shot doing 1000 PvP needs to try that. All player armor gives a MINIMUM of AR 1, plus resists. Take a T-21 and shoot an UN-ARMORED opponent. You get NO ap bonus. Haven't ever as far as I know.

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Gwee-Godo

Thu Jan 22, 2004 1:15 pm

#52

Listen Xytroncore,

Nerfs never have and never will balance anything. They just cripple that profession making it inferior to others. Then the other professions have to be brought down to its level. This cycle continues on and on. Stop crying nerf and start crying fix. Fixs for your choosen profession. A fix for you profession, and a nerf for ours will happen within the same time-frame, so what is the point of nerfing us? Ultimately it is more productive to ask for changes to pistoleer or whatever it is you do. Why can't you people see that?

No one will ever beat me in Pvp and thats a fact cause I do not do it! So why do I deserve to be nerfed? I dont! Your nerf makes me totally useless and I do not want to start a new profession. Someone will just cry nerf on that onetoo anyway.

Take my advice, go back to your own forum and leave us alone. You will get your fixes. Crying nerf will not speed anything up. Not that I expect you to respond to my point of veiw 'cause you do not give a **edit**. You could not care less about PvE focused players. This is obvious because you are always hanging around here whining about how much you suck a PvP verse rifleman. You areclearly PvPfocused, where I am not. www.crymeariver.com has some suggestions for you!

If you want to fix things for PvP, please do not come up with dumbass Ideas that punish people that do not take part in this aspect to them game. Develope a brain, and use it to look a little deeper into the issue. Thanks. Now go away and never return.

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