Rifleman Archive

1ST-Just get a 40% stun resistant composite helmet and quit your itching.

"Man mind determines what happens in PVP, sniff sniff....... Whaa I don't wana use delays and KD's to take out a rifleman"

2ND-Their going to make mind healable, first their gonna do this combat revamp BS where we shrinkour HAM bars instead of draining the pools and then they'll realize "Hey, the doctor loop no longer exists.......I guess we can make mind healable."

-to that Stacking BS your about to bring up-Any Master Carbineer/0-4-0-0BH can take out any rifle defense stacker, especially if their smart enough to get a scoped weapon.

Message Edited by PyscoJuggalo on 02-09-2004 12:49 AM

So what you are saying is that you with your weapon and me with mine, neither of us wearing armor, or nostrike that both of us wearing the exact same armor made by the exact same smith, standing at any distanceapart, beyond 30 meters, I should be able to win...because I can eat food? Thank you for proving our point.

The only way that we can actually use our specials is by getting buffed. I don't care how easy or readily available or cheap they can be you are explicitly stating that our class is completely and entirely dependent upon Chefs and Smugglers filling our bellies and entertainers writhing in front of us for a few minutes. What other professions are completely reliant on others outside of crafters?

I just went to Lok for a few missions since I hadn't been there for awhile. I grabbed an NPC mission to recuperate my travel costs and just to make some money(it was a nym base) and figured what the hell it's just 2 guys and a droid I don't need any food or spice at all...3 shots later my mind bar is gone and 1 of them is nearly dead while the other is at full health since my strafeshot missing him, or he wasn't within range of the effect. Longstory short, I killed the nearly deadguy with a normal attack shot then(thanks to all their attacks hitting my health bar) I had to pop a muon to stay alive and just barely beat the droideka thanks to crappy AI and a conveniently placed wall allowing me to rest for a bit and regenerate my mind. Thats right, an easily soloable mission (for any elite combatantand not even a master)nearly killed me because I decided to use a special twice without taking any form of buff. Sounds perfectly fair to me.

Why not just ask the devs to nerf buffs so HAM costs mean a **edit** thing once more so people can't spam shots until kingdom come thanks to having 15 skill points invested in medic and large pursestrings.

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kpr wrote:

I usaually dont post a whole lot but Im tired of the tells telling me Im an overpowered class. Then I have to spend the next few minutes explaining why Im not. Well just to get it all done he we go.

1) WE HAVE NO KNOCKDOWN DEFENSE

2) WE DONT HAVE A KNOCKDOWN MOVE (and before u tell me to use dizzy and supression fire, a novice bh told me to try that and while he spamed suppression fire on me as a test i was on autofire, he was incaped at the same moment i went to kneeling. If i had been moving and fireing specials for more damage then this will not happen. Suppression fire is not viable in pvp)

3) WE HAVE NO DELAY MOVES (If u get hit with a 10 sec delay in pvp, your most likely gonna die, as most pvp combat takes less time than that anyways to finish)

4) OUR STAT MITIGATION MOVES OUR POINTS FROM HEALTH AND ACTION (the 2 stats hit the most) AND MOVE THEM TO MIND

5) HIGH HAM COSTS

6) UNABLE TO WEAR ARMOR CAUSE OF STAT MITIGATION AND HAM COSTS (Unless we are buffed out the wazoo and druged up on muon, I personally dont know anybody else besides rifleman who will buy 20 crates fo muon gold at a time. The cost and time factor to get mind, health, and action buffs, let alone the time, is excrutiating.)

Now on to what we have....
1) GOOD DAMAGE AND SPEED (But like bh I had to waste skill points for master marksman to fire that fast, though not as many as them)

2) GOOD ACCURACY (But our weapons are pretty horrible up close, unless you use the spraystick but its damage is pretty low too)

3) GOOD RANGED AND MELEE DEFENSE

4) STUN DAMAGE (but then again were not the only ones with it)

Now some of the worthless stuff in rifleman

1) POSTURE UP MOVES AND POSTURE UP DEFENSE (I mean come on who goes prone and cover in pvp?)

2) TAKING COVER (again nobody goes prone in pvp, and in pve you may go prone but why go into cover, it does noting for you)

Now my rant.....

1) If you get killed by a master in any proffession buy you are not a master yourself dont send whiney tells to me about how im overpowered, Im a master, I should beat you.

2) Rifleman cant be beat.... not true, I die several times, but its usally the rifleman that gets prepared to go into pvp with buffs, drugs and food....only group i havent died to is a pikeman which I feel needs a whole lot of love from the devs.

3) The rifleman that are really hard to beat are the cross breads with TKA and another class to give them really tough stats...but the last i heard this was getting nerfed anyways which should reduce the amount of rifleman out there.

4) You shot my bike.....well I would say Im sorry but I wont, maybe because people shoot up my pets when i die so its turn and turn about.

5) I wasnt looking for a fight...Then dont go overt...duh.

6) Looks like someone else jumped on the band wagon....umm I was a rifleman before our boost and infact had another on a friends computer before I got my own and got my own account.

7) Loser...I was told this but I laughed, 6 imps (and they suck at pvp too) with 2 atst, against me( had another join me half way through this conflict) and at the end of it all they had killed me 10 times and I in turn db'd there group 9 times, how am I the loser?

8) I didnt say you could use pets....when in a duel some have complained that I sick a rancor on them, hey you healed yourself doing it, i dont have medic skills, plus I spent my points on this part of combat to have big critters, dont you think Im gonna use it?

9) Your headshot is better than a bh's eyeshot....I beg to differ, our headshot uses up our mind while eyeshot uses action which is healable, and eyeshot can blind you which can make a difference in the fight.

Well if anybody has anything else to add go ahead. Id like to see what everybody has to offer to my lists.

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/agree x 1000

So right man. Master rifleman may be gods of PvE (especially buffed) but we are NOT pvp gods. We have advantages and disadvantages like most other classes.

Trust me guys, if rifleman were overpowered, you would know.

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Asuph wrote:

The problem is not that you are overpowered. Its that your guns are more powerfull than any other weapon, short of Heavy weapons. And your ability to Dot the mind pool, heavily, from 64 meters.

Dont get me wrong. Rifles are suposed to be powerfull, and it is the hardest ranged class to level, unless you through BH in there.

Another thing people look at is your damage types, and AP level. As far as i know, you have the only Heavy AP weapon in the game, other than heavies. You get the strongest Stun damage weapon in the game. You will soon have an AP2 Acid rifle as well. (I really hope they fix the heavy acid rifle before they release this, or we will loose many Commandos im sure...)

There are also some bugs now, which allow double and triple mastery stacking. Some people mistake the use of a rifle by these folk as the reason they cant be hit at all. This coupled with the fact that if your oponent missies 95% of the time, most of them use a T21 to top off ther PVP template.

You SHOULD be powerfull. As far as "Powerfull" and its meaning goes, I look at it this way. If i wanted to use these guns, Id become a rifleman, If im not a rifleman, I dont get a vote on weather they are "too powerfull" or not.

Oncethe devs finaly realize, that fixing other broken professions, the "Your class is overpowered" crap will slow down to a crawl.

Asuph

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• every class cant have every defense mod.


• every class has bugs making them broken. rifleman have "broken" melee defense, take a look at every other profession in the game.


• every class has high HAM costs


• everyone needs to be buffed out the ass in order to spam specials


• rifleman fire as fast or faster than pistoleers andmore accurately -----> overpowered and needs a nerf
  

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Now on to what we have....
1) GOOD DAMAGE AND SPEED (But like bh I had to waste skill points for master marksman to fire that fast, though not as many as them)

2) GOOD ACCURACY (But our weapons are pretty horrible up close, unless you use the spraystick but its damage is pretty low too)

3) GOOD RANGED AND MELEE DEFENSE

4) STUN DAMAGE (but then again were not the only ones with it)

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SweetShotArch wrote:

I completely agree with Griegette here.

Oh and on these...

1) WE HAVE NO KNOCKDOWN DEFENSE: Doesnt matter cause no one can **edit**ing hit you if you have TKA or another melee profession which most of you do, which also adds KD resists.

2) WE DONT HAVE A KNOCKDOWN MOVE: Obviously you suck at PvP cause yes, Supression is very viable in PvP with a Dizzy (dont TKA's use lunge?)

3) WE HAVE NO DELAY MOVES (If u get hit with a 10 sec delay in pvp, your most likely gonna die: Again, you never get hit if you have a melee class to complement your defenses, and even if you get hit once, in that 10 seconds i cant hit you again.

6) UNABLE TO WEAR ARMOR CAUSE OF STAT MITIGATION AND HAM COSTS: Ever tried Carbineer? Get buffed. Cry me a river. Again you dont get hit, thats why no one wears armor. We have a player thats TKA/ Pikeman/ MasterRifleman and she runs into every Imperial city overt with no buffs and no armor and copmpletly dominates. Hmmm if i couldnt get hit i would too.

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Whoever said we are good because we have to be hit the nail on the head. Although, this isn't true anymore.

I leveled with 2.5x melee, MOB warping, and the WORST combat profession accuracy. You think that improved my skills at all??? Hell yeah, anyone else remember this macro:

/equip Scout blaster
/warningshot
/warningshot
/peace

Heh, I think I still have that macro on my sheet. I actually got novice smuggler and about 3 of its pistol xp skills while lvl'ing up rifleman back then. Ahh, memories.

But that fight you detailed is basically saying power versus power. You are trying to outdamage us when we are admittedly the high damage elite profession. You need to try a few other things, for instance I was just involved in a player event on Bloodfin (mayor-slayer, a duel between all the politicians that could show up, 4 vs 4 ffa for the preliminaries) and while it is somewhat unrealistic having the duel take place on a theatre stage the tactic used against me actually caused some damage. And this is versus a group of 2 or 3 more or less non-combatants.

I was nocked down while dizzy and could not stand back up for quite some time, during it I was shot (it was a pistol but I don't think any specials or at least nothing high) a good number of times and if it was versus anyone of actual skill I would have been dead 4 times over before my char could finally stand back up again. We all have a weakness you just need to exploit it during a fight.

Defense stacking and other such methods are being removed and surely our defensive bug will be fixed so thatany riflewielder willbe easily targetable once again. Whether or not we are useless by that point thanks to yet another gun being stripped, a speed cap preventing us from participating in a fight, and/or the crackdown removing our treasued muon is up to debate.

P.S. Oh I won the event by the way, deadliest mayor this side of the core.

Yes I agree that going head to head against a rifleman is not a bright idea, chasing him while he's kiting is a surefire way to get killed. I learned that the hard way just after they made rifleman sweet. When it is available, I use cover (buildings, rocks, bases) to try to gain an advantageous position and work my way in close to a rifleman, but that is not always possible when you are out in the wild, only in cities really or if you are defending a base.

I want to make it clear that I do not blame rifleman for using their most powerful attack, it is what any fighter would do. I blame the devs for their lack of vision and for not seeing what they had made rifleman, which in most cases is an unstoppable killing force. I also don't blame the rifleman for having such high defense, or for the melee defense bug that obviously exists. I don't hate rifleman (the people) I hate the rifleman profession as the developers have designed it. I don't blame you guys for playing the most powerful class in the game, the blame is solely on the developers for making one class so much more powerful than another. I'm an advocate for game balance, not game domination by adopting a certain template, whether that be rifleman, combat medic, or even pikeman