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Thread: TKM outdamaging t21 rifles 4 to 1 ... we suck or what?

_Flash_
Wed Jan 21, 2004 7:10 pm
#14

who cares what he wrote, just read the other posts that dci has made and if you hate nerf herders then you wont blame the dude for yellin at him. not flamin you, just givin you a heads up



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dci321
Wed Jan 21, 2004 8:14 pm
#15

Ok first of all theTKM was hitting the rancor 4 times before I could shoot it and all 4 hits were in the 500ish while my shot did 300-600ish dmg ... using a sliced 7.4 150-480dmg t21 rifle. no specials were being used , I just kept shooting normally (much better DPS that way).

What , do you really think I am making all this up? I did nt come here to the boards of my fav profession just to say that I want TKAs nerfed. what I am trying to say is better asked in the form of a question:


Is it normal that someone does more dmg with their fists then with the best gun riflemen can possibly have in the game...?
LLJK_Griz
Wed Jan 21, 2004 8:38 pm
#16






dci321 wrote:

Ok first of all theTKM was hitting the rancor 4 times before I could shoot it and all 4 hits were in the 500ish while my shot did 300-600ish dmg ... using a sliced 7.4 150-480dmg t21 rifle. no specials were being used , I just kept shooting normally (much better DPS that way).

What , do you really think I am making all this up? I did nt come here to the boards of my fav profession just to say that I want TKAs nerfed. what I am trying to say is better asked in the form of a question:


Is it normal that someone does more dmg with their fists then with the best gun riflemen can possibly have in the game...?





1) combat spam does not reflect damage reduction from armor and resists, nor damage bonus from armor piercing.


2) at master rifle, normal attack is LOWER dps than EVERY special.





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_Flash_
Wed Jan 21, 2004 8:38 pm
#17

First of all, dont look at the combat log. Did you apply the resists?


Also, this game isnt based on real life. Star wars isa science fiction, hence the word "fiction"





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_Flash_
Wed Jan 21, 2004 8:40 pm
#18

crap no edit..


Also, you were probably 60m out. TheTKA was probably taking all the hits too. And you could EASILY take a rancor with conceal shot and peace. He would never see you..





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PyscoJuggalo
Wed Jan 21, 2004 11:00 pm
#19

The only TKA that can kill me is one who get's luck when I'm checking my world map.


Rifleman.............. Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeet(Replace 'e' with 'i') Ranged profession 101 against TKA's.


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Forsaken411
Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:40 am
#20

Actually it is possible to hit for 4k with Unarmed Hit 3. I was using max dam 209 Knuckles, and I believe the math is something like this....209+250(TKM bonus)= 459 dmg knuckles. 459*1.5(Standard Dmg Mod)*1.5(KDDmg Mod) *4(UH3 Dmg Mod) = 4131 dmg.

If AP1 is working you could theoretically hit for 5k against a MOB with no kinetic resist and no armor due to the +25% bonus from AP1. I've never seen a 5k hit though, so it leads me to believe that there isn't a dmg bonus for AP1 being factored in. But anyways, yes it is possible for a TK to hit for 4k or more, and I've done it.



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JiveTimeMofo
Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:56 am
#21






Forsaken411 wrote:

Actually it is possible to hit for 4k with Unarmed Hit 3. I was using max dam 209 Knuckles, and I believe the math is something like this....209+250(TKM bonus)= 459 dmg knuckles. 459*1.5(Standard Dmg Mod)*1.5(KDDmg Mod) *4(UH3 Dmg Mod) = 4131 dmg.

If AP1 is working you could theoretically hit for 5k against a MOB with no kinetic resist and no armor due to the +25% bonus from AP1. I've never seen a 5k hit though, so it leads me to believe that there isn't a dmg bonus for AP1 being factored in. But anyways, yes it is possible for a TK to hit for 4k or more, and I've done it.







it is possible, but in best case scenarios. vk's like that aren't the norm though.


what is the 1.5 standard dmg mod? i'm unfamiliar with that. and isn't kd mod 2x?


how well would a master rifleman do w/a krayt t21?



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Roadkill469
Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:57 am
#22

ok, I'd just like to say something about my fellow TKM's and all this bs for Nerfs and such, TKM is a good profession and it is certainly well balanced and tehre should be no changes made to it, but i will find you hard pressed to find a TKM, unbuffed who is able to do more then 2-3 UA 3 hits in a row without making himself look like a turd to a pack of flies....his HAM will be little to none, so we have our weaknesses much like you riflemen do too



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Forsaken411
Thu Jan 22, 2004 6:34 am
#23

If you use any weapon you get a damage mod applied to it of around 1.5, so If you're using a rifle with 300 min/max, you should shoot normal shots around 450. KD mod seems to be about 1.5x, otherwise TK's would easily hit for 5k. And 4k hits are not uncommon for a TK, because the damage range on knuckles/fists is so tight, so even when you need best case assumptions to make the hit, those ideals are not hard to reach. And yes, that was an uncommon VK, but I recently had one crafted with 188 max dmg pre-slice, it's possible to get a pair that could regularly hit for 4k or more. Used a Nightsister Vibro Motor we looted off Axkva Min.



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DECarbineer
Thu Jan 22, 2004 8:51 am
#24

When i was still framing holocrons the TK were always crying cause they didnt even get one loot cause i outdamaged them by 1-2k. And while they where slaping one darktrooper i took out everything alive in the whole room with a few shots.


ahhh wait what am i saying. Ok, you are right we totaly suck i think the devs should lower our speed cap to .5 secs and give us the pernerf T21 back. We also need a T21 with stun damage and more defences.


That should be enough to keep up with the TK.





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MyloStats
Thu Jan 22, 2004 9:40 am
#25

I hate when people post dumb sh!t like this, such as **edit** how can fists hit as hard as a gun?

Listen moron its cyber space, its a video game, and it has to be balanced.

How can i ride a speeder bike into a building at 150 MPH and not get hurt? wow those must be awesome seatbelts!

Why cant i crash my bike into people and kill them, i mean a500 lb motorcyle at 150 mphhitting a person is deadlier or just as deadly as being shot right?



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_Flash_
Thu Jan 22, 2004 4:42 pm
#26






MyloStats wrote:

I hate when people post dumb sh!t like this, such as **edit** how can fists hit as hard as a gun?

Listen moron its cyber space, its a video game, and it has to be balanced.

How can i ride a speeder bike into a building at 150 MPH and not get hurt? wow those must be awesome seatbelts!

Why cant i crash my bike into people and kill them, i mean a500 lb motorcyle at 150 mphhitting a person is deadlier or just as deadly as being shot right?






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