Rifleman Archive

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Waste93 wrote:
I don't see the point of taking a non-fact and making it a fact.

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Well I figure since no one on these forums can ever no the exact truth, only someone who was there knows, no one can say it's fact or non-fact, so all that is left is speculation.

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Waste93 wrote:
If a person makes a targeted killing for political gain or for money, then they are an assassin.

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Great, and that's all I was saying, although it may not be every time, at some point assassin fits perfectly, just as not all the time Sniper fits but when a rifleman is sniping it fits exactly. Plus like I said before, Rifleman is the only profession that truly assassinates because of conceal tree.

Assassin fits as a title when you want it to. So does soldier but I don't see people up in arms about how it isn't correct for hte profession. Yes soldiers also go to a certain point and kill someone...but what if you aren't a member of a faction in the game? How does that make you not an assassin? Plus what if you aren't doing faction missions but still killing sentient beings from cover? That would also make you an assassin who is also an imperial officer. Besides the empire is the only army in the galaxy (outside of the corporate sector) that can employ a true soldier so your description only shows that imperials aren't truly assassin's when pulling their factional missions.

As for who shot kennedy...good lord people how can you even bring that up in this thread? That could be debated until the end of time and still not reach a concensus so leave it be.

PsychoticChipmunk wrote:

Assassin fits as a title when you want it to. So does soldier but I don't see people up in arms about how it isn't correct for hte profession. Yes soldiers also go to a certain point and kill someone...but what if you aren't a member of a faction in the game?

Then it could be an assassination or it could be a murder or even self defense.

How does that make you not an assassin? Plus what if you aren't doing faction missions but still killing sentient beings from cover?

It could be murder. Not all killings are assassinations.

That would also make you an assassin who is also an imperial officer. Besides the empire is the only army in the galaxy (outside of the corporate sector) that can employ a true soldier so your description only shows that imperials aren't truly assassin's when pulling their factional missions.

There are numerous armies in the galaxy. The Empire just happens to be the largest. Even the Alliance is an army which means they have soldiers. Local warlords will have armies and hence soldiers.

As for who shot kennedy...good lord people how can you even bring that up in this thread? That could be debated until the end of time and still not reach a concensus so leave it be.

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Waste93 wrote:

PsychoticChipmunk wrote:

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Assassin fits as a title when you want it to. So does soldier but I don't see people up in arms about how it isn't correct for hte profession. Yes soldiers also go to a certain point and kill someone...but what if you aren't a member of a faction in the game?

Then it could be an assassination or it could be a murder or even self defense.

How does that make you not an assassin? Plus what if you aren't doing faction missions but still killing sentient beings from cover?

It could be murder. Not all killings are assassinations.

All killings that are contracted, however, are. That is what defines an assassin. Murderer with a pricetag. Any mission that involves killing sentient beings (with the exception of imperials killing rebels, like you said that is a military move) and being paid is an assassination. If it is a killing without money exchanging hands (random spawn) then it is murder. Well I ignore the annoyance aggro's around Coronet and don't tend to kill random spawns so the only time I do kill sentient beings is as an assassin not a murderer.

That would also make you an assassin who is also an imperial officer. Besides the empire is the only army in the galaxy (outside of the corporate sector) that can employ a true soldier so your description only shows that imperials aren't truly assassin's when pulling their factional missions.

There are numerous armies in the galaxy. The Empire just happens to be the largest. Even the Alliance is an army which means they have soldiers. Local warlords will have armies and hence soldiers.

No, the alliance is a terrorist group or freedom fighters not an actual army. Imperial warlords don't exist until after the fall of the Empire, really Coruscan, and any other "warlord" is a criminal leader making his members mafioso or hitmen. The empire (again outside of the corporate sector) is the only true army in the galaxy at this time.

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PsychoticChipmunk wrote:

All killings that are contracted, however, are. That is what defines an assassin. Murderer with a pricetag. Any mission that involves killing sentient beings (with the exception of imperials killing rebels, like you said that is a military move) and being paid is an assassination. If it is a killing without money exchanging hands (random spawn) then it is murder. Well I ignore the annoyance aggro's around Coronet and don't tend to kill random spawns so the only time I do kill sentient beings is as an assassin not a murderer.

Not always. Lets say I contract you to blow up a building. Are you an assassin or a mass murderer? It's the later. An assassination requires the targeting of a specific person. In my example I gave you a target of a building, not a person. Yet you were paid for it.

No, the alliance is a terrorist group or freedom fighters not an actual army. Imperial warlords don't exist until after the fall of the Empire, really Coruscan, and any other "warlord" is a criminal leader making his members mafioso or hitmen. The empire (again outside of the corporate sector) is the only true army in the galaxy at this time.

Define army. Here is Webster

1 a : a large organized body of armed personnel trained for war especially on land b : a unit capable of independent action and consisting usually of a headquarters, two or more corps, and auxiliary troops c often capitalized : the complete military organization of a nation for land warfare
2 : a great multitude

3 : a body of persons organized to advance a cause

1a, 1b, and 3 all fit the Alliance. I could even argue that 1c applies since the Alliance is the remnants of the old Republic fighting to restore their place in power.

Never said Imperial Warlords. Just Warlords. A number of planets are out the Empires grasp or have little contact and not garrisoned. So the local leaders would have their own militaries. Which means armies.

As the Empire is not the only government in power, they are just the most dominant, there are other armies. Remember the Mon Cal built and crewed the cruisers for the Alliance. Those trained crew members would be part of an organized navy.

Has to be Ghost out of everything so far - there´s no way I´m ever putting up Lurker, Stalker or Ambusher (god, are you nuts!?)
Assassin doesn´t work either as most of the killing that´s done with conceal in this game is of animals. You don´t assassinate a durni.

You could, on the other hand, go for Expert Hunter but I´m sure that would piss off the bounty hunters.

All killings that are contracted, however, are. That is what defines an assassin. Murderer with a pricetag. Any mission that involves killing sentient beings (with the exception of imperials killing rebels, like you said that is a military move) and being paid is an assassination. If it is a killing without money exchanging hands (random spawn) then it is murder. Well I ignore the annoyance aggro's around Coronet and don't tend to kill random spawns so the only time I do kill sentient beings is as an assassin not a murderer.

Not always. Lets say I contract you to blow up a building. Are you an assassin or a mass murderer? It's the later. An assassination requires the targeting of a specific person. In my example I gave you a target of a building, not a person. Yet you were paid for it.

No, I'm a demolition man; if the building is occupied I'm a terrorist. I said that if you contract me to kill someone I would be an assassin. Well I"m an architect major and let me tell you from experience, buildings aren't alive. If, however, the person that you want dead is inside of the building that I blow up then yes I assassinated him and the rest were overkill. The missions that I take do say to destroy an imperial stormtrooper camp, or a nyax cult chapel. (haven't done those in ages so it could be named differently) So I assassinate the ST's standing aroundas an assassin and destroy their base as either a demolisher or a terrorrist.

I'll concede the military onesince one man's terrorist is another man's militia, even though by that deffinition you could claim that a large percentage of guilds are militaries even though they are imperials or rebels.

PsychoticChipmunk wrote:

The missions that I take do say to destroy an imperial stormtrooper camp, or a nyax cult chapel. (haven't done those in ages so it could be named differently) So I assassinate the ST's standing aroundas an assassin and destroy their base as either a demolisher or a terrorrist.

See that is where we disagree. I don't think you are assassinating those ST's. Since you are a soldier of the Alliance you are doing your duty and killing your enemies. Killing them and then blowing their bases are an act of a soldier performing a mission given to them by their superiors.

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Waste93 wrote:

PsychoticChipmunk wrote:

The missions that I take do say to destroy an imperial stormtrooper camp, or a nyax cult chapel. (haven't done those in ages so it could be named differently) So I assassinate the ST's standing aroundas an assassin and destroy their base as either a demolisher or a terrorrist.

See that is where we disagree. I don't think you are assassinating those ST's. Since you are a soldier of the Alliance you are doing your duty and killing your enemies. Killing them and then blowing their bases are an act of a soldier performing a mission given to them by their superiors.

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Yes, and I give that as an example since it is what I primarilly do now (fp and cash so double plus even if it takes longer to make gobs of money) however that is not the only type of destroy missions. I also threw in the nyax cultists since I did those long ago, a 5k normal mission on Corellia invovles the Afarathu, you can also do it to any number of things...the daantari perhaps. They are being assassinated by me when or if I choose to do those missions making assassin a viable choice. Just as viable as soldier since not everyone in the game wants to join the GCW.

To be honest the whole discussion is irrelevant because everyone plays different. SmoothOperator said concealshot was used more on animals, but that's completely opposite for me, animals in general have less ranged attack so I almost never use it on animals, I kite them when needed, but when I'm doing faction missions or engage an NPC, the minute I shoot them they start shooting back so I tend to start out with concealshot. What it boils down to is mostly all of the title suggested can be made to fit depending on that particular players play style, and there's always someone that won't like a suggestion, so it would have been best to just suggest the titles you like and not comment on the one you don't. If the majority wanted Ghost, Assassin, Sniper or JackAss for the title, the one with the most request should be the one.

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It might be a better idea to move "Sniper" from the accuracy branch and make it the "Concealment" branch title.

In the "Accuracy" branch put "Sharpshooter" and for Master box put "Rifle Master"

Yes. They need be fixed to the player gender with all professions. My wife hates "Businessman"