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Thread: T-21 Whats So Special?

Kaustix
Sat Jan 17, 2004 5:51 am
#1

K Beyond the Heavy AP .


A Laser Carbine with a Stock does More Dmg. And is Faster granted AP Differance with only Minimal Differances in Range Mods . (whats up with the Lasersmassive Minus from 60M Ideal to 64M Max?)


Just curiouos.. 7.5ish Spd ? Ouch!




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ZejjiZ
Sat Jan 17, 2004 5:59 am
#2

hehe..that 7.5 must be ur current server.....most T21s on naritus are on 7.0...but wif master rifleman that doenst really matter =) well..here comes..the thing wif the T21 is the heavy armor piercing.....there's nothing like it... =)



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Saeleck
Sat Jan 17, 2004 6:04 am
#3

I hate the laser actually.


The reason I hate it is the HUGE dmg interval from min to max. ZejjiZ is right, AP3 is the awesome.


Further on the Laser, you may have a higher topend but you aren't going to get nearly the DPS as a T21 at the Master level. Reason being you aren't going to hit at that lasers top-end even 20% of the time.

hampton_hamster
Sat Jan 17, 2004 9:02 am
#4

DUDE LASER CARBINE ? **edit** DID U MEAN RIFLE?



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Hoonge
Sat Jan 17, 2004 9:17 am
#5

Yeah... individual shots might do more damage with a laser rifle. Even with a krayt, you're still gonna have what.... 40? 50 damage minimum? However my hunch is that DPS with a T21, at master, will be better than with a laser rifle... but I'm not a master yet and can't say that for sure. I'll take 200+ to 400+ damage or more (I think Starsider's T21's must be weak... my 22% damage sliced one is 202-470...) over 40-600 any day. But I absolutely hate the damage range on laser weapons.






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Getting back to my melee roots...

Eaca
Sat Jan 17, 2004 10:22 am
#6

single hits for the laser may be higher, but your average DPS will be higher with the T21 cause you won't get those gimp hits for 200 like you will with the laser. Its even worse in PvP where mitigation basically halves the damage the laser does vs the T21 (eventually NPC's will be getting mitgation of some sort as well)
Kaustix
Sun Jan 18, 2004 3:03 pm
#7

Do you do More dmage by exceeding the AP of the creature . i thought just that It wouldn't be lessened by exceeding the AP



And yes Hampster Nice observation of yours I am talking about a Rifle not a carbine (used to be a carbineer). But for posting it instead of thinking it to yourself. U must have obviously thought i was, so keep your posts to yourself unless it is constructive . The others obviously knew what i meant and helped me considerably thank you.




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Onichi
Sun Jan 18, 2004 3:31 pm
#8






Kaustix wrote:

Do you do More dmage by exceeding the AP of the creature . i thought just that It wouldn't be lessened by exceeding the AP






Yes you do more damage by exceeding the AR of your target. I believe that the way the system works is that after the initial damage roll ( what you see in your Combat Spam ), AR vs AP is taken into account, followed by Resistances to your damage type.


If your AP is higer than your targets AR you will do bonus damage for each level of AP above the targets AR.


The only time this is not true is if your target has a "Vulnerability" to your Damage type ( no resistance ), in this case AR / AP is completely negated and you will do exactly as much damage as you see in your Combat Spam. Which by the way... Really Sucks hehe!


If you have the time have a read of this great post which explains it all in EXTREME detail


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=rifleman&message.id=31859





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"If you can see it without a scope, it aint Sniping"
Sotaudi
Sun Jan 18, 2004 4:57 pm
#9

When the weapon armor piercing value (AP) equals armor rating (AR) of the target, there is no bonus or penalty for damage. You just get the damage roll of the shot * the speical damage multiplier.


When AP exceeds the AR, the weapon does 25% more damage per level:
1 level = 1.25 ^ 1 = 1.25x the damage (AP1 vs. unarmored, AP2 vs. light armor, AP3 vs. medium armor)
2 levels = 1.25 ^ 2 = 1.56x the damage (AP2 vs. unarmored, AP3 vs. light armor)
3 levels = 1.25 ^ 3 = 1.95x the damage (AP3 vs. light armor)


When AR exceeds AP, the weapon does 50% less damage per level:
1 level = .50 ^ 1 = damage x .50 (AP0 vs. light armor, AP1 vs. medium armor, AP2 vs. heavy armor)
2 levels = .50 ^ 2 = damage x .25 (AP0 vs. medium armor, AP1 vs. heavy armor)
3 levels = .50 ^ 3 = damage x .125 (AP0 vs. heavy armor)


Resistences will reduce the damage of the type it affects. (E.g., 20% resistence to energy will reduce energy based weapons damage by 20% - that is, it will be damage x .80)


The exceptions are that bleeds bypass armor AND resistences. That is, whether you have 3 levels of AP over AR or 3 levels of AR over AP or whether the target is 1% resistent or 100% resistent to the damage type, the bleed will do whatever the base roll of the damage * the special is. The same is true when a target is vulnerable to a damage type.




Sotaudi Crestlighter
Master Rifleman / Master Combat Medic
"The Physician's Pain Reference"

Former Professions
Master Doctor | Master Swordsman | Master Brawler
Master Scout | Ranger



Onichi
Sun Jan 18, 2004 5:41 pm
#10

Sotaudi... Man.... You're always one step ahead of me with the info


HEHEHE!.. Keep it up.. It keeps me on my toes




In the immortal words of the mighty Chewbacca "MUAAAAAAAARRRRRRrrrgh!"
Imperial Leiutenant

Official Rifleman's Motto: Of all the things i've lost, I miss my mind the most.
"If you can see it without a scope, it aint Sniping"
Sotaudi
Sun Jan 18, 2004 6:38 pm
#11

That's only because I did this while you were looking for a drink from all the pretzels.



Sotaudi Crestlighter
Master Rifleman / Master Combat Medic
"The Physician's Pain Reference"

Former Professions
Master Doctor | Master Swordsman | Master Brawler
Master Scout | Ranger



Onichi
Sun Jan 18, 2004 6:57 pm
#12

Please... No freshly squeezed Jawa Beer...


/shudder




In the immortal words of the mighty Chewbacca "MUAAAAAAAARRRRRRrrrgh!"
Imperial Leiutenant

Official Rifleman's Motto: Of all the things i've lost, I miss my mind the most.
"If you can see it without a scope, it aint Sniping"
dimmu-borgir
Sun Jan 18, 2004 7:04 pm
#13






Onichi wrote:

Please... No freshly squeezed Jawa Beer...


/shudder







yes, sunburns on the house.



well, main reason i like my t21... is because it hits less randomly.. and is a big stick of pwnage.




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