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Thread: A Solution For People Concerned With Griefers
Alright, so its a pain in the ass, but if you're concerned about hostile take overs heres the solution. It requires an economic war rather then your typical pvp...
Situation:
You have22 players in a private city. One day you log in to find 25 players of a PA surrounding your city. Tomorrow is the weekly vote,the city willupgrade since there is no time to find the owners of 8 homes to prevent a level... and then its over!!!
Not quite...
1)Since they cannot have a candidate till they're actually inside your city, and since voting is automatic drop a solid object on the voting terminals, toolbox is a good one. Voting is now locked.
2) Now, aiming for a large city you should have a substantial treasury... distribute the funds to all your real citizens. Raise taxes by exactly that amount.
3)Rinse and repeat till all the hostile structures are in flames.
4) Clean up the debris... keep the profit in your treasury as a fine for griefing... and release the voting terminal to your people...
Problems, griefing can be used still to slow growth... although you double the size of your city you don't increase experience... then again you'll level the city faster so will be able to place more structures like a shuttleport and 2200 xp a week is still ok... =) also you have to start with 350,000 cr as thats all you'll be able to take out of the treasury every week so if its a large invasion like the one described above you're going to have to supplement your citizens a larger amount... or refund their money immediately to compensate for the losses.
Yes this could be abused, but then again thats not necessarily a bad thing and somehow i think griefing has a much higher possibility of being abused than corrupt politicians since it takes bloody forever and a hell of a lot of work to set up a city whereas you can grief someone in a couple of hours...
Regards,
Shaedar Haran EC
New Suntir, Mayor
A Solution For People Concerned With Griefers?
Lol. Just who is doing the griefing?
Nice list of exploits to use to keep a town your own privatelittle town. Hopefully the Dev's will look at this and make the changes they need to.
Darniaq asked:
Doesn't /cityBan actually prevent banned folk from entering City Hall?
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No, it doesn't.
Thodius
This won't work effectively for big cities as distributing the money is harder then it sounds - and even if you do bank tip, there is a fee.
About the private city structure, cities are ALLOWED to be private. Make note of grant zoning rights. *thwap*
a) long list of exploits?... more like one exploit... and I was hesitant to mention it...the truth however is this... I've seen mention of it on other forums, but no posts following it to its conclusion...a lot of people are concerned with griefers, personally i'm not but the concern is there... and any Mayor with 2 cents for a brain could figure this out... therefore it should be public knowledge... if nothing elseas a preventative measure against people wastingyour time by attempting to grief a city... and abuse of power by mayors? lol there are lots of ways to do it i'm sure... but most wouldn't bother... being a Mayor is a crap load of work like I said... exploits are unlikely in my opinion to be an issue...as to whether or not the devs fix it? we'll see... I doubt it though... it would be difficult... and really isn't worththeir time...
b) banning blocks people from entering all structures accept the city hall... hence the issue of griefing in the first place
c) private cities are permited and in my opinion should be encouraged... there is nothing wrong with controlling territory... and there is plenty of space on the planets for cities... it would be nice to see people stop complaining about this as well... why would the entire known solar system be democratic? what in your experience with star wars has suggested this... if anything i'd think the opposite would be true... and adding zoning was a courtesy to us all... we can choose to be a public city or a private city therefore pleasing all player types... my only real complaint would be the expanding zone when they've already placed a 1k limit on city halls... seems kinda redundant, and brings the problem of griefing about in the first place... if they decided to limit the proximity of cities they should have gone all in... not partially like they have done... regardless i really don't understand where the privacy complaint stems from...
d) this is meant to block griefing of cities, not keep someone in office... it wouldn't work in large cities true... but once a city is larger the issue becomes much less worrisome... but you're right it would be tough after level 3... and i wouldn't even consider trying after level 4...
Please do not confuse this post with an attempt to demonstrate an exploit... it is intended to alleviate worries about griefers, I see post after post on here concerned about about the zoning rights on a city and that people are going to steal their city hall, etc... this is just to demonstrate that there are always ways to deal with it... just be creative if it happens, truthfully right now the devs have done a decent job with the system, although it can be griefed they've addressed the key issues, while not handicapping the system...
Regards,
Shaedar Haran EC
New Suntir - Mayor
Then nuke the whole site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Screw 'em. The Emperor would have it no other way. Democracy is for the weak.
Blocking the voting booth is an exploit that could be used to keep a legitimate candidate from running for office. They need to eliminate this problem. Residents should be able to vote, and declare candidacy,from their own residences.
-Raystonn
But unfortunately, the repercussion of this tool is the ease at which people can remain entirely too insular for their own good. We personally won't be turning anyone away without a good deal of diplomacy.
There's tools beyond the ones listed that are good defense against the dedicated griefer, but I personally don't think there are enough large groups out there that both didn't get a City and are willing to grief their way into another one. Who'd want to start a city that way, and for just how long would they think they could keep it?
Griefing is not people attempting to join a city.
Griefing is a mayor using exploits to refuse to face up to the electorate.
The appropriate defense from a hostile takeover is recruitment. You can use diplomacy as a stall tactic while your recruiting efforts are active. Are they a factioned PA? Go to the other faction for help!
Syd1 wrote:Griefing is a mayor using exploits to refuse to face up to the electorate.
The appropriate defense from a hostile takeover is recruitment. You can use diplomacy as a stall tactic while your recruiting efforts are active. Are they a factioned PA? Go to the other faction for help!
There is no electorate in the Empire.
There is no electorate in the Empire.
Goddamn right! We're here to Destroy democracy....not practice it!