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Thread: Devs! Jaspor Chooses to Cheat
As much as I am trying to defend Jaspor (don't ask me why as he is an imp and I am a rebel) you are wrong here. Plinka, the politian correspondant has told us that the ability keep a player out of the city hall is an exploit and it is going to be fixed by the devs. As a correspondant is a representative of both us, the players and them, the developers, what Plinka said is as much proof as we need.
Astev_Aris wrote:
If you have proof, or a conclusive statement from a dev that says this is an expoit, offer it up. Until then, this argument is over, because all you have is speculation and rumor, which makes you nothing more than the National Enquirer of this forum.
Don't bother responding. I grow weary of this non-argument with someone who refuses to fully understand what they are reading.
Dayln wrote:
Seting houses next to a city that is about to expand is not an exploit, that was intended by the developers.
I would actually suggest it's not intended by the developers - the evidence to suggest this is in the /grantzoningrights command which has been described by our beloved correspondant as (something along the lines of) "to stop people placing un-wanted buildings in the city"
Grantzoningrights is almost completely useless then when you consider that "griefers" can circle your city with any buildings they like and wait for expansion.
"So why didn't they remove the ability for people to build just outside the city?"
Because this would mean that cities with 10 people in that never grow would control a 900m area that they have no intention of using.
"So why don't they let mayors move/destroy buildings that come within their zone of influence?"
Because the opportunities for griefing here are more immense than the other way around.....
Personally - and in my own VERY humble opinion I BELIEVE the devs left the ability in the game to build in a cities POTENTIAL zone of control in the hope thatpeople wouldn't try to take over towns with it, because they couldn't come up with a better solution that wouldn't cause griefing by the holders of the cities.
But thats just my take on things.....and you have yours.....but if we accept your view - then /grantzoningrights is not the ability described by plinka it's simply a tool to reduce the number of un-wanted buildings....not to avoid un-wanted buildings alltogether.
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The / commands are not intended and they will be removed.
Your argument that you are playing within the rules of the game does not hold water. By your logic someone who finds a way to duplicate resources is playing by the rules of the game because it can be done.
The only fact I need to know to make any judgement is that you are using / commands to keep citizens from voting. You are, therefore, exploiting an unintended side effect of the structure system that did not get caught in the testing of city halls.
Cities were never intended to be operated as dicatorships and you are therefore also violating the spirit of the design.
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Was GRIEFING and SIEGEING intended ?
where do SIEGEING and GRIEFING fit in real democracies ? where do they fit in DICTATORSHIPS ?
there is no need to be player of the game to judge that the SIEGERS are RIPPING of other people's work, citing that "hey we were 80 people they were 10 ppl they got a city we havent so we are right to RIP OFF them of their labour"... you know what this is called in real world ? MINORITY OPRESSION.
which is something as bad as barring citizens from voting. the guilty party here is the opressor, the agressor, dammit, the SIEGER.
Dayln wrote:
I agree, they should remove zoning rights, it gives mayors too much power.
You are still playing the game that you think the developers intended to have mayors keep their own citizens from voting. If you honestly believe that, then I am surprised your brain generates enough power to keep your fingers moving on the keyboard.
I have a plug in the back of my head to solve that. Lets me do some neat matrix like things too 
I completly agree Dayln. One person should not be mayor forever. I find the idea of competition interesting. What I don't like is that people can come in with sinister objectives and destroy the city hall completly.
Now, back to SW. It does not make sence that rebels can place houses around an imperial city and vote out the mayor. One solution thatI can think of is to align the city. A city can only have neutral and imperial, or neutral and rebel members. This would most likely prevent most takeovers, or at least by opposing factions.
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Jaspor is not a politician he is a DICTATOR
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so ? you are the ones who are the CONQUEROR.
atytula wrote:As much as I am trying to defend Jaspor (don't ask me why as he is an imp and I am a rebel) you are wrong here. Plinka, the politian correspondant has told us that the ability keep a player out of the city hall is an exploit and it is going to be fixed by the devs. As a correspondant is a representative of both us, the players and them, the developers, what Plinka said is as much proof as we need.
Astev_Aris wrote:
If you have proof, or a conclusive statement from a dev that says this is an expoit, offer it up. Until then, this argument is over, because all you have is speculation and rumor, which makes you nothing more than the National Enquirer of this forum.Don't bother responding. I grow weary of this non-argument with someone who refuses to fully understand what they are reading.
Good... See? This is all Dalyn had to say. I had no idea that Plinka spoke for the devs, I was under the impression that, like others, he was offering up his own opinions which, as I have said many times, seemed quite plausible given the absence of these commands from the radial menu, but which, without proof from the dev community, would still be mere speculation.
I was always of the opinion that this appeared to be an exploit. Thank you for finally pointing me to the proof which I repeatedly asked Dalyn for. I'm not sure how his fingers continue to move when his eyes obviously aren't. Maybe it's like chewing gum and walking at the same time. He can type, or read, but not both.
Oh either side can lay political siege to a town, of course that is fair, what do you think war is?
Right now In Iraq we are trying to capture or kill people that oppose the government we want to instate. The US is a lot like the campers around this town.
I think this fight is fair, or was fair until the door exploit was used, hopefully the devs will fix that and we can get back to the war which is VERY Star Wars like and waht Player cities were meant to be
It will probably take another 7 days to get that fixed and by that time there may be another problem with cities
Havoclord wrote:
Anyway, it doesn't matter what people think - Plinka has spoken and the doors on that City Hall will opening any minute now!
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I have a plug in the back of my head to solve that. Lets me do some neat matrix like things tooI completly agree Dayln. One person should not be mayor forever. I find the idea of competition interesting. What I don't like is that people can come in with sinister objectives and destroy the city hall completly.
Now, back to SW. It does not make sence that rebels can place houses around an imperial city and vote out the mayor. One solution thatI can think of is to align the city. A city can only have neutral and imperial, or neutral and rebel members. This would most likely prevent most takeovers, or at least by opposing factions.
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in contradiction to you, i dont have any appliance at the back of my head, and i want to be able to live with the community i love in peace, having no 'competition hungry' n00bs trying to get excitement into their lives. that is your choice, and this is our choice.
in every case, if a communitys citizens are not happy with their mayor, they can vote her/him out easily. the suggested zoning is not a democracy to town's present citizens, which can already vote, but the SIEGERS, who are not a bit interested in the current citizens' issues but TAKEOVER. this is not suggesting democracy at all, it is suggesting CONQUEST.
alignment is not a solution to griefing and problems. there can be people who you wouldnt want to live with in either faction, as we see the examples around every day.
The exact wording that Plinka used can be find on this link.
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=Politician&message.id=8969&page=4