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Thread: question on /cityban
You are incorrect about it not working. Yes, it might have been a ghost hot fix, but the reason the CSR's were there was because of citizens ON the city residence list not being able to enter the city hall. I did not manipulate any CSR, I was just trying to figure out why they couldn't get in the city hall. They came and fixed it, that's all. The pics are on the same page as the Iebas pics, just further down. I'll find the link and post it here.
Happy Turkeyday
Zubzai, you still haven't answered any of the questions that have been put forth. Jaspor asked you what you guys would do if we changed officially to a neutral or Rebel PA. We have a number of Rebels who have joined the city, and we're more than happy to let in more. What if our Imps were willing to change to either Rebel or Neutral faction standing? Would that stop the siege? Or would you come up with another excuse?
And as for your last message, please explain in small words what you're talking about when you say this:
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I want this city area to be the biggest bone of contention ever on any of the galaxies. This is the big one, and your all invited.
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Precisely why do you want this city area to be the biggest bone of contention? What's your goal here? Again, we've made it perfectly clear that we're not going to do anything to your city when it's formed. We've made it clear that we believe that the two cities can help each other. We've made it clear that we're actively looking for a peaceful resolution to this conflict. We've made it clear that we do not find this fun. We've made it clear that we're not interested in this little war of yours. You're the one making it a bone of contention, not us.
So what's your motivation for continuing and escalating this conflict? If it's to stop an Imperial city, there's no worries. We're a neutral city and intend to stay one, simply because we have both Imperial and Rebel citizens who are valued. So what's driving you? If you're RPing, I'd think the Rebellion would be happy to have a neutral city that would allow Rebels in, as well as giving them an opportunity to interact with Imperials who could possibly be swayed, since they're collaborating anyway. I'd also ask again why you, the Rebels, are willing to stoop to lowdown and dirty tricks that are more appropriate to the Empire than to the Rebellion. Do you honestly think that your actions reflect well on the Rebellion in general? You're proving that the rebels are exactly what the Imperials claim - a group of thugs and terrorists out to destroy innocent people. How does that help your cause? I'm beginning to suspect that you're really a bunch of Imperial plants, sent in to sabotage the rebellion from within.
You say that the ball is rolling and no one can stop it. I'm calling you on that. You guys can stop it. You can act like honorable rebels and rational adults and turn your energies toward planning your own city and making it the best city it can be instead of reveling in your unjustified hatred toward a group of innocent people who got luckier than you. You can stop it easily and simply, but you choose not to. As someone who is going to have a lousy holiday because of you, I'd like to know why. You've been told that the people behind the keyboards are not enjoying this, but you appear gleeful at the idea that you're wrecking what used to be a fun game for many people who have done nothing to you. Your goal seems to be to make as many people as possible miserable enough to quit the game. Is that your goal? Why do you insist on doing this? What, exactly, is the problem here? Because I don't think it has anything to do with the Empire or the Rebellion.
So, how about some answers?
I did answer some of those questions. You must have missed one of my posts. If your imperials are prepared to turn into rebels then thats a sad state of affairs. But if they do, then fair enough. I will have to see proof of all of them in an overt rebel state in order to believe this. Once this has been seen to be true, then the siege would end and a bona fide mayor versus mayor election would begin.That may not seem like much of a concession, but here is what it would mean :-
There would be no conflict. No attacks, no war related activities whatsoever. This would have to be an on-going situation. The city would need to be protected from imperial incursion by the use of our joint efforts towards defensive measures, collaborative efforts but the mayoral race would stand as per the normal political processes, and so there would be normal voting processes
This cityhall wouldremain standing; and will do whatever else happens. We have no intention of destroying it. That would be a step backwards. However due to the location of your cityhall you have already lost 40-50% of your buildable landmass due to the mountains directly to the North. So Constellations growth potential is limitedby that anyway.
Regarding the 'bone of contention' quote.. it is simply about dynamic gameplay. Whatever youachieve in life, the associated sense of achievement is directly proportional to the hurdles that you had to jump in order to achieve. So this city has just become a much greater prize than it was, because whoever ends up controlling it, will have won a great battle; a bone of contention of remarkable dimensions.
As per the terms above, the ball can be stopped, and wil be stopped; although I still think it would be ashame in terms of gameplay; but if you guys were rebels you would be our allies, and we would not fight you. As said before though, we would reserve the right to political contention as per the city voting system.
Yeah, I'm starting to think its not worth your time to deal with those idiots either. Let them take their dynamic gameplay and shove it up their tails . . . just go to Rori or something. They won't have won, you'd just be showing that you don't stoop to their level of stupidity.
~~Shabhaii, Mayor of Tombra, Naboo
www.cityoftombra.com
The REAL BT
"The FS system only rewards the Veruca Salt's of the MMO world . . . not the Charlie's"
Ok, I've seen these screen shots. When I got home, I checked tafirehawk.com/GoA out of curiousity. I don't live on Iebas' website and only go there for the wonderful screenshots.
You wanted my opinion of Ladriew's captures:
"You reply to CSR-timv, "That's why we reported him for exploiting, he said the wanted all the XP and he proved that to us"
HUH? Jaspor OFFERED to let your politician in at the beginning of this farce to gain xp in addition to members of your guilds.
"If he was banned while not a resident then the Mayor/owner will have to unban him." CSR-Davidv says. thank you.
"You reply to CSR-timv, "Paying people from other servers to move in and since we don't have zoning rights we can't get in." Prove it. You are making allegations without proof.
"You reply to CSR-timv, "Thank you, but please don't let him harass me for contacting you." (referring to Jaspor) Um...WHAT??? Jaspor has NEVER harassed anyone. In fact I think it was you fellows that assassinated him when he was trying to negotiate in good faith...
I am not even going to bother to quote this one. Just read it then read my response below:
http://tafirehawk.com/GoA/images/screenShot0204a.jpg
Ok, this one really takes it. Ladriew blatantly lied to the CSR. Taska rebanning someone is ludicrous. She will abide by the rules if it kills her. And re-banning in the presence of the CSR is something that is so stupid I could only imagine Ladriew doing it.
I could probably find more instances of outright lies and fabrications, but why bother? This fully depicts your group as it should be,
Now, here's what my opinion: You guys are pathetic. You have no honor, no integrity and are completely untrustworthy. You accuse Jaspor and GotZ of cheating and exploiting yet you bald-faced lie to the CSRs.
I am not sure who I feel worse for. You for your lack of personality and maturity or the CSRs who couldn't even tell that Taska wasn't doing anything. Ultimately, SOE needs to revamp their product and their support personnel and you guys need to grow up. It's so telling that you get off on destroying people's work rather than building your own. It's called lack of character.
For myself, I will not bother with anymore posts here. It's not worth my time as you are actually helping me. Every time you guys post some "evidence" you only end up supporting GotZ. Keep it up boys, you're doing a great job!
Zubzai, you're still avoiding answering the big question. Why are you guys doing this? This has gone beyond simple RPing. This isn't about the GCW. You've all made this personal and malicious. We've told you that we're tired, frustrated, and sick of it. We believe we're being harassed and are tired of dealing with all your dirty tricks. Your response is to gleefully rub your hands together and tell us about how you're improving and enriching our lives and then to escalate the conflict. The conflict that you started, that we wanted no part of and continue to want no part of.
It's sad that you didn't get your city. But you'll get it next time, although you've made it clear that that won't be enough, that now you want both cities. Why isn't one city enough for you? Especially when you love listing our shortcomings? Why don't you and your merry men pull out and let Constellation sink or swim on its own merits instead of playing these tiresome and sad little games? Is your planned city so weak that a neutral trading center would be that big of a threat to it? If so, it sounds like your problem is with your own city planning, not ours. But you have time before the cap is lifted to change your plans and improve your city-to-be, so go for it. Make your plans better. But leave us alone. We don't want this war that you're forcing on us, either as RPers or the people behind the keyboards. We're sick and tired of it.
In the meantime, why don't you go find some PvP Imps and go play with them? Why do you insist on harassing us and making our lives miserable and gloating about it? And don't post again telling me how you're enriching my life by making my husband scream and swear at the computer, please. No one is buying that line.
Jaspor wrote:
I agree with your previous post, Rukka, but the problem with this one is that these guys placed houses right outside our city border on day one, and once we expanded, they gained the right to become (unwelcome) citizens.
As much as we want them to be, cities are not intended to be our little private enclave. The term "unwelcome citizen" is an oxymoron in the devs eyes, because they purposely made it this way. We've talked about it a lot already, and they say it's the way they want it. If you don't have enough people who want you for mayor living in your town, then you're out, and out of luck I guess.
This is why I joined forces with a large group. We've got 31 citizens already and it would take a huge effort to try and take our town over. If your city expanded, you must have 20 people so far, so these folks must be pretty numerous to threaten you. If they present a real challenge, then the devs wish you luck and want you to try and win them over if you want to stay the mayor. Sorry.
let's not forget that the evidence here starts in mid conversation... hence blocking what the true complaint to the CSRs was.... so we have no real way of knowing this because the hostile party saw fit to not supply that information...
and how many CSR's did you guys pester hound harass before you found one who disagreed with the rest??? I'm really interested to know this little fact... because the one who spoke with the mayor obviously said to you directly that you were legally banned... that should've stopped this whole arguement in my eyes
The original complaint to the CSRs was in regards to using the /setprivacy command on the city hall. It was lifted after the politician correspondant Plinka confirmed that it's inclusion was unintended. The CSR was, in fact, responding to that and the subject regarding banning was then broached (though I don't know by whom). To my knowledge this was the first CSR to respond and I would not say that anyone pestered CSRs to get a particular answer, though I cannot tell you how many tickets the GoA alliance submitted because I don't know.
GotZ has not submitted any.
(oh for an EDIT button...)
Though I will say that there was obviously a second ticket submitted. Otherwise, why would the CSRs have cleared the Banned list in City Hall?
I was refering to how many tickets where opened by the rebs not the imps... cause In the rebs screenshots I clearly saw a csr, the first as far as I can tell, telling the reb that he had been banned and that was that..
no exploit, no cheating, nothing of the sort.
correct me if I'm wrong...
WoW! this is really building up now!
Come one...Come all...
I want this city area to be the biggest bone of contention ever on any of the galaxies. This is the big one, and your all invited.
Just to fuel the fire a little bit; we have just entered fruitful collaborative talks with 2 other rebel PAs, whose names,for reasons of secrecy willremain secret until they have gotten into position. The heat is rising!
Jaspor buddy; I reckon I have upset enough people here to get you enough support to really make this a humdinger of confrontation. Constellation will, at this rate, be the biggest city on in the Universe!!! and you my brother, will be the supreme ruler. Your devious plan will have succeeded, and I am just relishing the whole 3 courses. HEE HEE
You and I (and I assure you this was not personal...hell I havent a clue who you are!!!) have found ourselves slap bang in the middle of what is certainly brewing up to be the biggest, most fantastic role play situation ever! This city may well be 400 strong by the middle of December.
Dont tell me this mammoth prospect doesnt tickle your interest just a little bit?
I apologise whole heartedly for any actions that may be considered over the top, and I am so sorry that it was purely by chance that your city formed the catalyst for this pandemonium; but it is happening... the ball is rolling down hill and its so big that no one can stop it now!!!! muahahaha!!!!
do you get it now? this isnt about us disliking you; this isnt about ownership of a few friggin buildings!!! this is about the Great Show!!
and even if you hate it, you have helped it grow; nurtured it. My thanks also go out to all of you bystanders out there who have contributed comment, to all the hecklers, intelligensia, emotional commentators, everyone who has made this situation so special. Lastly I would like to thank my agent... Jaspor of Constellation...who made it all possible.
May the best side win the fight for control of the battle; but we have both won already!
Ofock;
its not personal now and it never was. I dont know you people in real life, I am playing my role as a rebel colonel in a huge and unjust war. Read below my raison d'etre (that means reason and methodology)for the choices I have made in waging this conflict.
As to your big question; well I have answered it a million times. It is about the GCW. Your city is not neutral, it is 90% imperial. It was set up to provide munitions and supplies to imperials whose in-game goal is to go and worship the evil emperor at his retreat directly above your and our current locations and so to assist them in their attempts to kill and harass rebels. We set up here for the sea views and most importantly to have a close position to the rebellions arch enemy in the hills. If you cannot see the strategic importance of what we are doing within the context of the GCW then you are bllind. Whats morethis situation going public was brought about by your setting privacy on the city hall. My PA has never used or stooped so low as to use such an obvious exploit as that. Oh and please dont tell me that you didnt know cutting off the cityhall from prospective mayor candidatesand his/her voters was an exploit. When you say that I have to question your sanity.
You choose not to believe that it is about the GCW. The above is the absolute truth and totally compelling reason why it is about the GCW. But not just the GCW; this is the heart of the imperial beast that we are guarding over. There is no greater role for a rebel army than to prevent the lies and propaganda that the emperor spreads. You, and without digging up old posts from Jaspor, have set up in direct opposition to us to help them out. Jaspor told me in very clear terms his raison d'etre for this location...as stated above...to supply the enemy. Our job is to prevent that supply.
You couldnt have picked a more contentious position for your city if you had tried.
Now I have answered all your questions, and you have not responded to my offer of a cessation to the siege in exchange for your expelling all imperials from Constellation. It was your idea, and I have graciously given you that option. You may eitehr expel them or convert them.