Politician Archive
Thread: question on /cityban
ok I'm gonna refer to rebs and imps here cause there are too many names to keep straight.
Imps, you got a city and used what was in your power to keep it... more power to you... certain things you did you later found out where in fact illegal and you did something about it. Other things you did where at no point in any of this deemed illegal... so I don't see their argument... I respect you guys for building on contested land, but I have to say that you really did ask for a takeover attempt for that reason alone. Hey keep yourself in power and continue /citybanning every single one of their member still outside you city limits...Poor boggie, have no city oh well, shouldn't have done anything to get yourself banned... You are the mayor, it is your responsibility to run that city as if it were your own and as long as you are the mayor it is YOUR city... contrary to what everyone else believes.... cause if you fall who will be blamed? the guy next door... I think not
Rebs, it seems to me that your only intention for taking over this city was strictly to tear up the hall and go place your own where it suits you... sorry you don't see it, but that is about as underhaded style play as you can go... you had no intention of populating this city and growing with it... you have no respect for your fellow players... don't ask for respect in return... and that bull**** about trying to get jaspor banned for doing nothing wrong pretty much solidifies my point here... maybe you should have edited that part out as I'm sure you edited a good portion of other stuff...
why can't you just let people play the game and enjoy themselves? you are truly grievers regardless of whatever "cause" you supposedly are trying to hide behind.
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That's incredible!!! Our city on Chilastra is New Aldera. Our Guild is called Remnants of the Light and we are all (in game anyways) supposed to be from Alderaan (before the explosion, obviously). We titled our city New Aldera Looooooong before the player cities by having it in our house names. We called it New Aldera because Aldera was the capitol city of Alderaan and we were paying tribute to Alderaan. Wow!
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My favorite quote from the Screenshots of the CSR's talking about Jaspor isin reference to him using /cityban to stop players fromgoing into the city hall tovote.
"CSR-Timv tells you "We will be discussing the incident and how it won't happen again with Jaspor."
So, if you weren't doing anything wrong, then why would the CSR's be discussing it with you?
Perhaps, because the CSRs themselves do not have a consistant policy regarding this (GASP!)? Given the contradictory responses from various CSRs and that they obviously seem unaware that you cannot ban someone who has declared residency (read your own chat logs) it's pretty obvious that there is a communication problem regarding this command. Obviously not an exploit to ban someone. Is it an exploit to PREban someone? Hmmm, I think not. So they moved into a house that you fellows put down. So what? They were banned. They are unwanted in Constellation. In fact it' must be an exploit that they can declare residency AT ALL and did so as it is obviously unintended. 
Have a great day!
"Perhaps, because the CSRs themselves do not have a consistant policy regarding this (GASP!)? Given the contradictory responses from various CSRs and that they obviously seem unaware that you cannot ban someone who has declared residency (read your own chat logs) it's pretty obvious that there is a communication problem regarding this command. Obviously not an exploit to ban someone. Is it an exploit to PREban someone? Hmmm, I think not. So they moved into a house that you fellows put down. So what? They were banned. They are unwanted in Constellation. In fact it' must be an exploit that they can declare residency AT ALL and did so as it is obviously unintended."
Contradictory? Where are they contradicting themselves? They might not have a consistant policy on this, but obviously they know it's a bug and came to fix it. It HAS been stated /cityban SHOULD NOT be affecting the city hall, but only the cantina, med center, etc.
It is NOT an exploit to ban someone BEFORE they put the house down because they're not a citizen yet. But if there house is already down and they get banned thus preventing them from voting, that is the exploit and that's what was done. There wasa player who got banned before he moved in. He can't vote, yes we know, jolly good. The issue here was that people who WERE citizens, as we could tell by viewing the city terminal, they couldn't get in to vote. That's the exploit, and that's why the CSR came and unbanned everyone who was listed as a citizen.
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Iebas' own chat log here indicates it's a legal move. The persons in question were banned BEFORE becoming citizens. And don't try the "they placed their house" crap. Zoning rights are tightly controlled and have not been given out except for one mistake.
Your Misssing the point when that city expanded the residence out side the city became a city member . They can get banned before they get to there house but sometime later they show up as citizens on city terminal and now are citizens and have a right to vote but are banned because of the lag time when the city expanded. Should you now unbann them they are citizens? Thats is what happened. Yes you can ban people that walk through your town which sounds like you want a city just for your PA. Thats another issue and not really friendly for trade, but when you people chose to expand you chose those people to be citizens not free votes to the encumbent mayor. Those people are similar to Ghost Citizens and dont have any privileges that citizens should have they are just a free vote. They want to vote and be apart of the politics invovled but now are not allowed. The lag in the city hall to be a citizen is a long time after the city expands.
"21:09:12 Csrnathant tells you, "But anyone who was banned and buys a house will not be able to vote as the were banned"
Also:
"21:12:55 Csrnathant tells you, "You can't ban an existing resident. Banned people can buy houses to get in but are still banned."
And:
"21:14:48 Csrnathant tells you, "All residents not already banned are autoadded but not the already banned ones."
Have I provided enough corroborating quotes here? From Iebas' own logs, yet! Thanks for the backup on this one!
Hurry up, now, have Iebas pull that pic down...but don't worry, I have a copy already.
Have a REALLY nice day! 
Or in this case, for those trying to take over the city exploiting this little glitch to get in is an EXPLOIT.
Oops. The way the commands work and the CSR statements REALLY make it hard to support your point of view. Nice try though. Your tactic here really stinks. One could almost say like week old fish. It is obviously circumventing the intent of the command.
Because we both know that your banned members were banned prior to moving into spare houses that four or five of you put down. Now the banned list is cleared. Are you telling me you were honest with the CSRs that cleared the list? Somehow I doubt it.
If they were banned, they were banned BEFORE they declared residence. Why, because the command doesn't work on declared residents. We know because we checked.
Is there a correspondant in the house? Could we get a ruling please?
Monterus-
You've seen the screenshots from Iebas and responded, but I have yet to hear you comment on the screenshots that Ladriew took. The ones where the CSR comes in and unbans all the citizens on the list.
The CSR that Iebas talked to is talking about players getting banned THEN putting down houses. The CSR Ladriew is talking with is talking about players who already have houses places and declared residence (as shown on the resident list) THEN they are banned from the city.
This is why TWO CSR's (1 csr and his supervisor as stated in the screenshots) came in and unbanned everyone who was a legit resident under the city resident menu of the city terminal. They stated that this was a bug and that Jaspor "would be handled appropriately" for continuing to use it. The /cityban IS NOT supposed to work on city hall to keep citizens from voting therefore, it's a bug. Plain and simple.
I have not seen these screen caps so I cannot comment. Provide the post and I'll look at them (though likely after the holidays).
You cannot ban someone that is a resident of the city. This has ALREADY been confirmed. We tested it on me specifically. It returned the message "You cannot ban a resident of the city" or something to that effect. So thereis not an existing bug with regards to this command as far as we can tell. Ergo, your people were banned BEFORE they were city residents. At no time were existing residents banned. You can misrepresent yourselves and your screencaps all you want (you guys have a pretty good record in misrepresentation, double-talk and self-contradiction have both been noted by ourselves and others). We both know what's going on here and just because you can manipulate some CSRs into believing you doesn't mean you're right. If you win by cheating, you win nothing. I have only pity for you.
You are correct in that it's not supposed to work on declared citizens. It hasn't been used on any.