Politician Archive
Thread: question on /cityban
Hypatian wrote:
Anyway, any tactic that gives people a *chance* to vote the mayor out of office once they become a citizen is fair game. Set up covert detectors, warn people and attack with your militia, whatever. Any tactic that attempts to prevent people from becoming citizens is also fair game. Excessive use of zoning, blocking the next expansion area with your own houses, avoiding expansion until you know your compatriots will still have the majority, whatever.
Key phrase there, once they become a citizen. /cityban works on people before they become citizens. And we have and will continue to use it on griefers in our town who are not citizens. Please tell me that's not the intended use for the command.
Funny story: a CSR contacted me tonight. Without giving you the whole boring log (which I do have if people want to doubt me), the conversation went something like this:
CSR: Hey there, you Mayor of this town?
Me: Yes I am, what's up?
CSR: We got a call that your city hall was set private, but it isn't, and everything looks to be in line
Me: Yes, we set it private to try and throw a little obstacle towards the people griefing us. Once we were told it was in fact an exploit, we removed it.
CSR: Okay, I see nothing wrong here then.
Me: While you're here, can you clarify /cityban for me? These same guys are now harassing me that using /cityban is illegal.
Me: We did a cityban on several of their people before they actually registered as citizens, and now that they have become citizens, they can't get into city hall. They are crying "exploit".
CSR: That is not an exploit - they were banned before they were members
Me: Can you please tell them that so they leave me alone?
CSR: He can complain all he wants but if he was banned thats all there is to it.
Me: Thank you.
That's more or less a paraphrase (but actually, the last two CSR comments are quotes so you guys can't say I am misinterpreting stuff). 
Bottom line: non-citizens can be /cityban-ned. Case closed.
so let me get this straight this "mayor" has NO, none zero nata public buildings except the cityhall. Yet he decides to use Cityban on the people he doesnt want in his city because he knows it currently keeps people out of the cityhall?
Jaspor = exploiter 
Nice try to pre-empt an outcry. yet why use /cityban if there are no other civic structures?
How did this work? I would see no problem with this if this is how it works.
#1 You /cityban someone you dont want in your town.
#2 They place outside your city to circumvent you banning them by becoming citizens when the city ranks.
#3 The city ranks up and they are unable to become full residents in the city because they were banned.
If someone is banned first and that takes precedence then it is thier fault for building there without permission and remaining after banned. If you arent welcome somewhere why would you go through the effort? This would prevent griefing both ways.
#1 It would make it hard for seigers
#2 It would still permit people who had rogue politicians place city halls to tax thier towns and take money without thier consent.
The screenshots for this conversation between Jaspor and myself along with my conversation with a CSR on the city hall privacy issue are at www.tafirehawk.com/GoA
The second conversation with a CSR on the specific /cityban issue will be up there shortly.
Isnt this fun!
I think that in all honesty, Jaspor could win this without using any dodgy tactics at all. Just by attracting a bigger sympathetic population than our invading force. Hell he is already beating us by 10 people anyway!
Of those maybe three are default votes he is getting from 3 of my members who are resident in the city, but have been banned from entering the city hall; but he is still winning the race. So why does he feel the need to do these silly things I wonder.
Just think of the sense of achievement you gain by winning fair and square.
Either way; this is truly engaging and exciting game play. I mean for once in this game there is actually something solid, something real; somethign worth fighting for, that is losable. You guys in Gotz may not appreciate it now; but you are really living in this game right now, because we threaten you. Do you feel alive? do you feel each tme you log on that there is a better than average reason to? I sure as hell do. I actually feel I am taking part in a war. A dirty, ruthless, hard, nasty war.
Ya see that is what wars are, and this game; especially in this area of Naboo where Jaspor has started his city, isbuilt around the framework and background of one of these foul wars where people harass and destroy and kill each other using anythign they have at their disposal. How many times have you read a biography where a character has had members of their family, if not all their family, slaughtered by the other side?my character has, and many many more have too. That kind of family background unbalances a person into hatred of the other side; a deep ingrained desire to do defeat them and make them in all things sorry for what they have done!!!
Constellation City is close to our own housing base. It is largely inhabited by stinking imperials, and it will never have peace this close to us or in this area of Naboo. Moenia is a place of rebel influence. If Jaspor maintains control of his city by wining thevote, thenI say well done to him; but I say this. This is only phase one. We will fight,kill, destroy and strategically enbattle imperials in this part of Naboo for ever. Constellation will be targetted by raids, minefields, scanners, maybe even turrets. We will use everything at our disposal to fight the stinking agents of the Emperor and we absolutely will not stop!
now thats gameplay!
Ifya wanted a peaceful life, would youmove to Baghdad?
So if we all declare as neutral or Rebels, will you leave us alone? If none of us are any longer Imperials, then you will not have any justification for your actions, and will let us be? Is that correct?
And, tell me this, once and for all: If your Politician ever DOES win the vote, will you simply destroy the City Hall? That is our one and only concern really, and it seems the vast majority of people on these boards consider that a "griefing" or "inappropriate" tactic. Just because the game mechanics allow it does not mean it is right.
And no, we're not having fun. Coming on this board and seeing my name dragged through the mud on a daily basis for trying to ensure that our hard work is not destroyed is not fun. You call things "exploits" and "cheats" the minute we do something you don't like. Despite my continued asking of "where does it say this is an exploit?". AndI stop using it the minute it is confirmed. Even though I think the /cityban thing was still a perfectly legal use of the command. A CSR told me himself that if a person is banned BEFORE they are citizens, that's legal.
And yes, I think we still have enough support to win this election. And yes, I think we will win this battle in the long run. And yes, in a strange sort of way, it is exciting and different.I just wish you guys would show an ounce or two of respect from the players behind our characters and not try and insult, blame, and accuse us of being so dishonorable and cheat-driven every waking hour of the day. And posting screenshots of in-game private conversations I have had with your members is just about as low as it gets.
For a group that claims to play "within the rules of the game", you're doing an awful lot of shady things outside of the game to try and get the upper hand. I hope you're proud of yourselves. There's a fine line between "participating in a war!!!" and using that as an excuse to personally bash a group of mature, long-time gamers at every possible opportunity.
Don't worry, Jas, a lot of people are seeing through their claims of doing it out of fun and exciting gameplay. Remind me to tell you about a fellow named Cairne sometime.
~~Shabhaii, Mayor of Tombra, Naboo
www.cityoftombra.com
The REAL BT
"The FS system only rewards the Veruca Salt's of the MMO world . . . not the Charlie's"
This whole thing went public for one reason and one reason only. You set your city hall to private. Now whatever you say so cleverly about not knowing that preventing people from running for mayor or voting is not an exploit is falling on deaf ears I am afraid; including the ears of your own correspondent. So cut the bull for a start. We would never have made this a public situation. You forced us to do that, and you know **edit** well you did!
so that deals with 90% of your complaints on your most recent post. The publicity was brought about by you.
You have so little respect for your factional alignment, that you would all become rebels? you seriously think that that is an impressive intention on your part?
If you care so little about the war, why the hell dont you just move to a peaceful spot and then we will not be interested in you. There is a whole galaxy out there.
If ya wanted a peaceful life, why did you move to Baghdad?
Jaspor, Im a reb, But you are right in this situation. Let me know what i can do to help.
Asus
Zubzai, you said the following:
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If you care so little about the war, why the hell dont you just move to a peaceful spot and then we will not be interested in you. There is a whole galaxy out there.
If ya wanted a peaceful life, why did you move to Baghdad?
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I think this is the root of the dispute. We're not PvPers. We're not interested in PvP. We're none of us heavily invested in the GCW. We're playing to have fun. For some of us, this means crafting. For others it means running a successful business, or training lot of pets or spending lots of time hunting critters for fun and profit.
Being insulted is not fun. Being harassed is not fun. Dealing with people crapping on our city halland threatening us is not fun. You keep saying that we should move to a peaceful spot, that we shouldn't have moved to Baghdad. Dude, we didn't. We moved to open country outside of Moenia to start a neutral city. You started the war, not us. It wasn't a war zone until you made it one. We've made every attempt to talk this out and defuse the situation, but you and your people want a war. We don't. We want to be left in peace, but for some reason you refuse to let us be. Why don't you move somewhere else? As you say, there's an entire galaxy out there. Why are you so fixated on tormenting a group of people who did nothing to you? If you want to take your frustration out on someone, take it out on the devs. Or be patient and wait for the cap to be lifted and put your energies toward your own city. Make it a thriving metropolis. Make it a huge success. We won't stop you because we don't care. We think it will work to everyone's advantage. Go for it.
It's all well and good to say you're role-playing, but I somehow have trouble imagining Princess Leia walking into a neutral city and crapping on the city hall, or taunting the citizens. The problem asI see it is that you guys think you somehow own the entire area. You don't. We don't want to own the area and are perfectly happy to have a neighboring city. Jaspor has posted repeatedly about all the advantages that we could all have. But you don't seem to be interested in that - all you care about is having a monopoly in the area and destroying us, and that seems to include the people behind the keyboards. You and your people have resorted to numerous dirty tricks to fight a war that we never wanted in order to try and drive off any potential competition. I say again that if you're just roleplaying, at least be honest and admit that you're using Imperial tactics and are nothing more than stereotypical Imps. The real rebellion would never stoop so low. My hero, Admiral Ackbar, would be ashamed to be associated with people like your group.
Some of us would like to have a nice, happy Thanksgiving, but you and your people have made sure that this holiday is a stressful one for us. I'm actually looking forward to being computer-free for several days. No, I don't feel more "alive". Do I feel like there's a better than average reason to log on - nope. In fact, I dread logging on as a game that used to be fun is now stressful, since I'm a person who doesn't enjoy being taunted and harassed. Call me silly.You're the one who created the war and you're openly gloating that you're fighting dirty. You're not a good opponent. There's no fairness or fun here. If you want a dirty, nasty little war then at least pick on someone who also wants it, because we don't.
Ofock Aberoci, former Rebel Corporal