Politician Archive
Thread: Simple Solution To Siege Griefing? Grace Period
I am also one of the leaders of the guilds Jaspor is referring too.
You are doing a fine job of RP'ing the Politician, but please explain to me where my group is operating outside the rules of the game? At the same time if the roles were reversed (which I have stated many times already) I would expect you to do the same to my city. The MAJOR difference is that I wouldn't be crying about it to the world to get the sympathy vote. This is simply a GAME, not REAL LIFE. If you are not having fun with the way the DEVS designed the game, then take your complaint in the design to them or simply don't play.
And please get the story straight, we have stated the even if we had our own City Hall, the battle for location and business and GCW would still be in full force. We have the necessary resources to build our city and combat your city both politically and in war. I will admit I was pissed to not get our City Hall down after being in our location for 4 months, but the political and faction wars have kept us at this after we all calmed down after the first day.
You have made this plea to give us all bad names for us simply playing the way the Devs have told us with Player Cities AND the Galactic Civil War. Remember you are a declared Imp and we are declared Rebels and there are NO limits to where the war can be taken within the rules of the game. This same story has been told on at least 4 different forums and probably more that I just don't read.
Icould just as easy accuseyou of operating outside the rules of the game bytrying to destroy my business while I play the game as designed BY THE DEVS. But I won't do that in huge lengthy posts from various members of my guild on various forums.
The tax scheme is a tough solution since there is a 50k limit on withdrawing money from the treasury.
TAfirehawk wrote:
You are doing a fine job of RP'ing the Politician, but please explain to me where my group is operating outside the rules of the game? At the same time if the roles were reversed (which I have stated many times already) I would expect you to do the same to my city. The MAJOR difference is that I wouldn't be crying about it to the world to get the sympathy vote. This is simply a GAME, not REAL LIFE. If you are not having fun with the way the DEVS designed the game, then take your complaint in the design to them or simply don't play.
Hello again,
We never said you were operating outside the rules of the game. But as one of my guildmates pointed out in another discussion on this topic (and posting this story in several different places in order to get a general feel of public opinion would hardly qualify as "whining' I don't think):
"We cannot win this debate by convincing people that it is against the rules. It obviously is within the rules. Just like kill stealing, mission jumping, selling misnamed items and other things are allowed within the scope of the rules. Possible does not mean it's ok or just."
If you would have made this offer of a free City Hall deed in exchange for moving when this whole thing started, we would have very seriously considered the offer. But we were met with (mostly) insults, threats, and an ill-advised assassination of myself by one of your members while I was doing nothing by talkng. (For those playing at home, I went just outside the city border to speak with several of their alliance members who were standing there for a few minutes. They threw down a covert Imperial detector, and killed me, 4 against 1.) Although I must say, they did catch me quite offguard and unexpecting, this sort of treachery further demonstrates that the Rebels are nothing more than a bunch of lawless terrorists. And this type of violent strike against us, totally unprovoked, has made us even more resilient. You can thank your NFG allies (specifically, Ladriew) for making a peaceful solution now impossible. 
Zai, I appreciate your emailing me as well, but you made it clear that the mistrust between our groups would allow no for no negotiations. It's a shame the City Hall peace offering wasn't presenteda week ago.
See you all on the battlefield.
-Jaspor, Mayor of Constellation
Zubzai wrote:
Moenia is one of the few rebel strongholds. Jaspors decision to place his city in the centre of a rebel dominated location was foolish if he wanted a peaceful life growing crops and playing with the children in town square. Dont get me wrong, these are admirable life ambitions..often the simple things are the best. But we are currently involved in a Galactic Civil War. I am the head of a Rebel Guild, and we have 2 close rebel allies. We all feel that the imposition of Jaspors outpost...currently with a population diminutive enough to suggest that they will never actually grow beyond a township, sits slap bang in the centre of Rebelsville.
Just one more quick point on this.... One of the Main reasons for choosing our location is its relative proximity to the Emperor's Retreat. Last I checked, the Emperor was not a Rebel. To say that we are in the centre of Rebelsville when the highest leaders of the Empire site less than 1k meters away seems a bit of your own intepretation of who belongs where.
I've seen members of your alliance accuse of countless times that we just slapped down the city without any planning or location scouting. Trust me when I say this area was selected for what we think is a very good reason: to be near a popular Point of Interest (The Emperor's Retreat) and not because it was "near" Moenia.
-Jaspor
It is completely within the game mechanics to place a covert scanner WHEREVER you choose. I have the screenshots of your so called "a few minutes of talking then placed the scanner". They are all time dated and show that less than 1 minutes after reaching your Outpost, the scanner was placed and you were within the scanners radius. You said "Hello" to us and followed us out to where we were going. You asked what we were doing and Kevlar replied "Taking a tour of your city". You then followed us outside your cities radius (which we knew you would:smileyhappy and dropped the scanner.
When you became an Imperial you opened yourself up for CONSTANT PVP. The DEVS have stated that several times. I've had it happen to me before, that's how I got the idea. Your lure some Imperials out to a covert scanner and kill them. Imps lure people out of Anchorhead all the time only to be ambushed. It's a GCW, this kind of tricky should be ENCOURAGED. The second you went to the recruiter and said "Yes, i would like to join the Imperial Faction" was the second you made yourself open to PVP. So lets say you get a TEF and I'm an Overt. You're out checking harvesters after a mission and I spot you. My group attacks you and you get DB'd. You KNEW right when you attacked that person you'd get a TEF, so you set yourself up for the chance of a PVP encounter. The Covert Faction Scanner is basiclly a mobile TEF to be used on anyone of the opposing faction.
(about 500mSE of The Lake Retreat, I was walking through a player city when a scanner went off. Seven, yes SEVEN players came out of their house and I was killed. I messaged the guy who DB'd me and said "Good show man,I never even seen that coming. That's what the GCW is all about")
As far as re-naming items to sell and things like that, that would be considered ripping someone off. We have not scammed you out of time or money. We do not say "yeah, I promise to tip you the money if you give me the mount first." then run off with the money. We play logically within the game's aspects.
I've spoken with you before and told you that I have nothing personal against you or anyone in your PA. (I had a nice conversation with "the AFK Chef" about this as well) The reason that the scanner got dropped on you was because your toon is an Imperial. We knew this, so we plotted to have you killed. Yes, it was 4 on 1, but has war ever been fair? It was not a 1 on 1 duel or anything of the such. It was a combat tactic which proved to be a success.
Also, when we first talked in game, I asked you what the chances of you moving would be and your EXACT words (which I have screenshots of as well) were "We will not move" Necron was a witness to this statement as well. I will say it again, me or ANYONE ELSE in NFG has NOTHING against GOTZ or any of it's members. I even asked one rebel member if he wanted to do missions ANDI asked the Chef if he had any food buffs for sale that I could purchase. The fact is that YOU are an Imperial, therefore I did whatt ANY PVP Rebel would do and I had you killed. 4 vs. 1...Fair? Not at all, Inever claimed it to be fair and it was nothing on you personally. (Considering we've done it to roughly 30 Imperials this month alone. Waiting for them to walk by and we drop down a Covert Scanner) That's what they're there for.
There's a GCW going on, you personallychose your side (imp) we chose ours (reb). Until the minute you undeclare faction you and every other covert player, rebel or imperial, is open to PVP.
I understand what you did and why you did it. I understand how war works. And I believe I also did congratulate you on a nice surprise tactic and getting me. Nice move.
What I am simply saying, by doing this you:a) seriously hurt any chances of a peaceful resolution being reached and b) gave further proof of the underhanded, sneaky, and devious tactics you Rebel terrorists employ.
Oh, and if you're so fond of screenshots, do you have one of when you asked me "Is it 100% certain you would NEVER move?" and I said "Nothing is 100% certain". Got that screenshot? 
Although GoA and NFG may be separate Guilds, and both sides have claimed that the actions shouldn't reflect upon the other, the simple fact is you are BOTH sieging us with houses and have admitted to being in an alliance. In an alliance, what one allied Guilds effects all the others.
TAfirehawk wrote:
What have you lost in the last week that keeps you from taking a free City Hall and thousands of credits to move? Please document the "insults, threats" and please don't confuse a GCW item of killing you with running a City. There is a reason our Politician is staying NEUTRAL
For one, we've lost trust for your alliance. I don't keep a running screenshot diary, but some such threats and disrespectful things have been phrases such as "Hi, I'm just checking out my future residence", "We are here to kill Imps", and, most recently, calling us whiners for trying to guage the public opinion on message boards for this situation. I guess you're right, there is a fine line between being at war and trying to use scare tactics and disrespect to get to run us out of town.
The main thing though that we have lost in the last week is trust and respect for many (though not all) of your alliance members. Oh, and there's a house with a sign outside our town that says "Imps like little boys" or something to that effect. Real mature.
If we leave now, it would look as if you have won this little battle of yours, and have driven us away. If you had presented this case a week ago, before the battle, it would have simply been politicial negotiaions.
War or no war, opposing sides don't often kill unprepared Politicians while negotiations are still ongoing. Yes. it is part of the GCW, and yes it was a smart and well-executed tactic. But that doesn't mean, in the context of the GCW AND in town rivalries that we not hold it as an act of aggression and a symbolic end to negotiations.
If you still wish to negotiate the "give us a City Hall to move" proposal, I'd suggest first making some ammends for killing me.
Aside from the fact that you guys are trying to tear away the city that we DID work hard for, the political rivalry and the GCW does offer a fascinating new aspect to this game. Now, why don't you just pull your houses, and let it continue?
"Probably the same rebs who like to take screenshots of themselves with Darth Vader."
Actually, if you're a Rebel, you can't get to Vader. Thought I'd clear that up.
Sorry, but I have no respect for people who's sole function in life is to make another person's life harder, while doing so anonymously. These peopleshould be drug out back and beat with a hose. Roleplaying harrassment does not make it ok. I am willing to bet that it the people laying seige could block off the entrance to the city hall to prevent deposits or votingthey would have done so already. If someone blocked off my driveway to not let me pull out my vehicle, and they did it with the sole intention of being a d*#k, at a minimum they would have 4 flat tires, and a possible gasoline fire on their vehicle.
I have already stated before that there should be a system to where if there were houses there before you put your City Hall in the area, they could CHOOSE to not be part of the city. They do not have to be citizens, pay taxes, or utilize the civic structures, but you could not make them move. This would prevent people from exploiting pre-existing"cities" to create their own. On the flip side, the mayor should have the option of letting people be citizens or not, and making them moveif they build within 450m of a city hall AFTER the city hall has been built. I am sure every structure built has a time stamp on it showing when it was built. This would prevent this type of "city seige" to occur.
These are the same people who, if they could, would set up a covert scanner and turret in the cloning center, so as to keep people in there. These are probably the same people as well, who wanted the corpse diseasing allowed.
Just because you want to engage in this type of behavior does not make it acceptable for the other cities, who may or may not be neutral, to be subject to this.
As for my suggestion to Jaspor, if he honestly does not agree with this behavior, file a CSR report and/or bug report. File it under harrassment.