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Thread: Devs! Jaspor Chooses to Cheat
title of this topic is erroneous and misleading. it should be like that :
DEVS JASPOR CHOOSES TO CHEAT BECAUSE WE HAVE SIEGED AND WILL RAPE THEIR TOWN AGAINST THEIR WILL...
wow !? put into its real title, things seem in a whole different light now.
ZubZai,
If your original intent was to brutalize this city (i.e. vote in a new mayor, then destroy the city hall) - Then I say more power to Jaspor..
And I dont understand your "casually" attacking the city moving up to "full on assault" on this city.. Why do something if you start out doing it half assed? It sounds like this is an attempt to glorify yourself and attack the character of the 10 or 12 poor bastards whose city you're trying to take..
Either way I dont know the whole situation... for all I know Jaspor may be an evil dude and is griefing you guys or something.. But I dont agree with the ability for other guilds to take down a city.. although I dont think our player city has to worry, we've already got over 70 guildies in limits =)
bwahahahah..
Either way, if Jaspor doesn't gorw his city, you are screwed.. you'll never be able to take it over.. and he will reverse grief you by forcing you to check your houses and pay maint on them until a year or so passes and you give up and move your houses..
Thats what I would do =)
I suggest you read my posts carefully. If you read all my posts carefully you will understand my motivation is totally to do with gameplay. I have said this a million times already,but I will say it one more time.
THERE IS A WAR ON. Jaspors city is right in the middle of a rebel oriented area. We are rebels, and the majority of his guild are Imperials; not only imperials, but imperials who primary desire is to supply anything that imperials visiting the Emperor need to help them kill rebels in the missions handed out by him.
As rebels, it is our sworn duty to prevent this, and we will wholeheartedly attack this city until it either falls, or is legitimately won back.
From my perspective, I may as well not bother playing this game, and the same goes for my guildmates, if I were to allow an imperial city to go unmolested in the centre of the only rebel stronghold on Naboo.
My whole raison d'etre is roleplay. War is brutal, and I am a frontline soldier.
If Jaspor manages to maintain control of his city through proper gameplay; ie..using the advantage of having a majority of the vote, then GREAT! all power to him. That is the essence of gameplay. I will, as arebel colonel do everything I can to prevent that from happening. If I fail then I take my hat off to Jaspor and will congratulate him on a well and fairly fought campaign. But I will not cease, I will not give up, I will not weaken in my attempts to overtake his city until it is strategically prevalent and smart to re-direct my energies and those of my guild GoA, and our 2 ally guilds NFG and Darkstar if they choose to so do, to another project associated with the war.
WIthout the war and dynamic gameplay that it produces, this game is an empty shell. I believe the actions we are taking against CoC is some of the most exciting, emotionally captivating, and totally engaging gameplay to have arisen within this game over an elongated period of time. If you dont like....I have to ask you...does my face look concerned?
Now this is why we are attacking the city of Constellation. Plain and simple, as indicated by the rest of my posts. And quite frankly I really dont care even a tiny little bit whether you believe me or not. Just couldn't give a monkeys. Simple fact is you will either believe me or you wont.
C'est La Vie
Jaspor I was once again disappointed to learn that underhand tactics were being used by yourself and your militia..
Certain members of my PA who are now residence in your city have been banned from your city hall. Consequently they cannot vote, consequently once again you are running a dictatorship, and you are doing it on a foundation of exploitation.
I am prepared to believe that you were not aware of this , and that it was being instigated by your militia. However, now that you do know, I expect that your honour will demand that this second dishonest cheating strategy will be ceased.
I want you to beat me fairly! not by doing this.
Zubai, You are one of the main reasons Cealla tried to get rid of as much PvP as possible. You may feel there is a war going on and stuff, but I may be playing this game because I like MMORPGs and not because I like star Wars. Or I might like the crafting system, or I might like just using Star Wars as a virtual Chat room (expensive one at that!).
The fact is, YOU do not dictate how I play the game. YOU do not dictate how ANYONE else dictates that game. However with Pvp, suddenly you can actually control another person's gaming experience. This is the main reason Cealla tried to remove nearly ALL PvP from the game. People who are inolved in Pvp should conscent to it FULLY. At the moment there are very few advantages to being an Overt. This means anyone who is Overt is saying I fully conscent to people killing me and effecting my play style, however if someone doesn't want to have people constantly effecting their game, they go covert. And if Jaspor wants to play as a "carebear" (Which is a crappy term that only 13 year olds used in UO, Carebears were a really cool set of role playing who wanted a neutral zone, if i remember correctly).
I fought against people like Cealla, I thought pvp was a good idea (especially to do with cities), that it would make it much more fun. But if everyone who engages like pvp like you do. Feeling that it is YOUR RIGHT to distrupt someone elses game, then I really wish I hadn't. Remember, this is actually a computer game. You are allowed to play nice in games! If you want to be properly aggressive and vent your testosterone somewhere and do things like that, join an english highschool!
Good thing CSR-David was there to go inside the city hall and unban everyone who's a citizen. And if anyone requests it, we have the screenshot of the CSR saying that /cityban is NOT supposed to work on city halls and that it's considered a bug. But since people are using it so they get all the votes, it's then considered an exploit because they're using a bug to get XP for their character. (As stated in the Terms of Service)
As I said, I will be more than happy to send the screenshots from the CSR conversationto anyone who wants to see it. We are working on getting them uploaded to a web page for the world to view right now. Since I don't just "type" what the CSR says, since that can be altered, I'm providing the screens.
Yautja, The minute they put a cityhall down with their Imperial Leaning PA in the middle of a hotbed of Rebel activity. They invited factional PVP repercussions. The second they decided to not fully think about the repurcussion fo getting a covetous city slot on Naboo and did not prepare for the war that WOULD come calling. They Invited political PVP repercussions.
Now they are using tactics to try and stop this. But some tactics are not intended nor should be allowed. i.e. Preventing ANYONE from getting to the cityhall to record a vote. That is suppose to be open to all current citizens no matter what.
Yautja; you are wrong because of what Maxx has said.
If you want a peaceful life, do you move to Baghdad?
Wrong you too. I am not wrong on this. This is one thing Cealla was pointing out which I thought was wrong (though now I am realising there is some truth in this).
Cealla wanted a game where if she wants she can COMPLETELY have nothing to do with pvp (except for gameplay things that are obviously to do with pvp). One thing she outlined as being a big problem with involving pvp in cities is. What if there is a prime location somewhere where there is pvp activity? What if she wants some resources that some imp city has sat upon. All she wants to do is craft but pvp is effecting her gameplay. People could say "don't come to imp city of death if you don't want to get killed" but really she just wants those resources.
Here someone wants to place a city and has selected a bad spot in a Rebel Area. However, as Cealla wanted, he should be allowed any spot he wants. That spot might have good trade (which it seems to have from your posts) that will allow the city to flourish. However, you Rebel PAs are dis allowing him from taking that land and therefore effecting his gameplay. He should be able to play the game in safety but instead he runs the risk of losing everything. You ask him to just move? Remember the City cap. If he destroyed his City it would be VERY hard for him to just move it! Only 10 cities on the whole planet remember? You arn't asking him to just do something small. You are asking him to risk giving up something that could be very important to his gameplay just because something you want. AND you have the capabilities of doing that. This I think is something Cealla was complaining against.
You arguments about, "if I wanted a peaceful life, would I move to Bagdad" ? That is an old old argument and you have to realise, this is a computer game. It's different to rea life. Lots of people wanted FFA fighting zones in SWG or being able to kill and loot people's bodies because they said in real life, you do have the ability to kill and steal from most people you meet. This happened in Ultima Online. However in Ultima Online, if you went away from Cities you would nearly ALWAYS meet crazy mass murders who say things like I ownz j00 and stuff, and you always died. This was not at all realistic! I don't go to school in fear thinking that whenever I leave the presense of a police man somone will literally always jump out and kill me!!!
The fact is games act differently. You talk about his city being a carebear world, well. If he wants to live in a carebear world you shouldn't have to do anything to change that! Try diplomacy. (which you have done so I should stop just insulting you and go back to theoretically whining 
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I understand that you realise that this thread was over the top Zubai and I understand that things have been sorted out through deplomacy (which is good). It's just this argument seems to be a clear example of what Cealla was talking about when she tried to get SWG to become a carebear game. Pvp is good, Players influencing your gameplay whether you like it or not? Is not good. (And there is a good reason for that, I might not might you having a city war with me because I like you and think its fun, but I might think jespor isan idiot and not want to have a war with everyone idiot like him that can possibly come near me).
For the love of all that is holy let this thread die!! 
Titus I was happy to let this thread die, but now I too have been banned from entering the city hall. I have been a resident almost as long as Jaspor! and I have already voted in this election, and now I have been banned from entering the hall.
If that is not an exploit I dont know what is!!