Pistoleer Archive
Thread: i challenge you pistol packin people
listen i never heard or seen so much whining in my whole life, this is a game, what is wrong with you developers in not understanding weapons in general,
this is the challenge, get yourself to your local pistol range, set up a target at 60m and start firing, you only have say 12 shots, go look at the target and tell me how many wholes you put in it, i dare you to try this mr pistoleer corespondent, understand balance as a whole, not just cause you got elected as a correspondent for this profession. if it was me, i would have hit the library, internet, and started doing some research on pistols, plain and simple.
oh, and while you are at it, try running backwords and shooting your pistol at a target, tell me again how many wholes you put in it
look, i am really having fun with this game, i plan on staying here for a long time, working with whatever is thrown a me, challenges that come along and the such.
and should any dev be reading this, you should have hired someone with real weapon experience, rifles and pistols, to get their solid input, and not listen to the people crying all over the galaxy, you have to know that there are a lot of young people under the age that you require are playing this game, i happen to know of some that are only 16, you do realize that parents are buying this game for their kids to make them happy, as well as playing on same account and on different servers, so, you have a young audience out there, how do you know who to listen too?
all of your correspondents, do they have background expereince for the services they are providing for you?
you gonna gripe and flame me, first do like i challenged you first, then i will listen to you,all i ask is that you think about this, look at the animation for your character when he or she is aiming the weapon they are holding, the person holding the rifle is doing some serious aiming, the person with the pistol, just holds it out in front of them and hits the intended target 70% better than the person with the rile in their hands at a distance the same as the rifleman, how is that possible?........................................
i wonder, why isnt there freedom in the enviroment for firing anyways like in any first person shooter? this is more like a turn based strategy game, then, i bet these boards would be devoid of all whining, lol
Obviously SWG isn't "realistic." There's nothing realistic about shooting a snake in the leg with /legshot2 or with setting someone on fire with a pistol or any number of other things.
Maybe, in reality, a guy with a flamethrower or rocket launcher would own both rifles and pistols at any range and at any speed. I don't know since I'm not a soldier. But this isn't a war simulation, it's a computer game ... and the idea is to have balanced professions so everyone doesn't pick the same one.
Maybe pistols are too accurate ... maybe not. Maybe pistols are too strong or weak or whatever else. But make your argument in terms of the game, not in terms of real-life pistols. We're firing laser pistols, not metal slugs, after all. 
First, it's a game. Trying to make RL comparisons to game mechanics is a formula for frustration.
I'm not going to sit here and flex my e-**edit**, but yes, I can tag a man sized target at not only 64m but 100m all day long with a standard-issue handgun (as in, no scopes or any of that BS) - any stock auto-loading pistol or revolver. It really isn't difficult.
If we want to toss out rediculous RL comparisons - how about using a Barrett or an M40 or PSG1 or *insert your favorite sniper rifle here* and use it in a CQB situation. Not as a melee weapon (I'd love to see someone use a Barrett in bayonet drills), but actually fire the weapon at multiple targets in a CQB environment. It's a "less than ideal" situation.
Lesson: Game mechanics and balance do not necessarily have any sort of RL comparison.
Not only is it difficult to get a game to behave exactly like in real life... it is BORING! If I wanted a realistic shooting game I wouldn't have chosen a MMOG. The same can be applied in all areas of the game.
No I am not a shooting expert in RL - but I am a gamer. And since this is a GAME as you so adamantly tell us, I am perfectly qualified to give my input.
Yeah, challenging the 'pistoleer correspondent' to a real life accuracy test is a bit funny to say the least...he's a master pistoleer in a video game...not real life. That just miiight be a confound in your study...
What's next, challenging the droid engineer to getreal lifeheavy armor onto his real life hovering probot?
Or maybe an accuracy test using a lightning cannon, that sounds possible too.
Over here, we have a 'game'.
And waaaaaaay over there...is real life.
Try not to confuse them again.
listen i never heard or seen so much whining in my whole life, this is a game, what is wrong with you developers in not understanding weapons in general
Your "whole life" seems to be a 12 years thing, don't be so surprised. Btw, you should define "whine" and don't take in consideration every isolate post. We for the most part use common sense and don't say stupid things. I don't think so btw.
this is the challenge, get yourself to your local pistol range, set up a target at 60m and start firing, you only have say 12 shots, go look at the target and tell me how many wholes you put in it, i dare you to try this mr pistoleer corespondent, understand balance as a whole, not just cause you got elected as a correspondent for this profession. if it was me, i would have hit the library, internet, and started doing some research on pistols, plain and simple.
Ok, Jaegen is surely not a Pistoleer RL...but let me cut the suspens for you : I am not a Zabrak either and jar-Jar isn't existing at all. I know this is breaking your heart but everything is pure fiction. So Jaegen's Character is able to, yes...it is a Professional Master Pistoleer, it is how he earns money, you see ? He's a specialist in other words...in the game..not RL...never mind.
To reply on a personnal note : 12 exactly where I want (I mean head or torso, etc...not eye, nose. I think you'll understand). Took me 3 months in the army to learn how to use a pistol, a FAMAS, etc...just to let you know nowadays soldiers are using Pistols much more often than you can imagine.
oh, and while you are at it, try running backwords and shooting your pistol at a target, tell me again how many wholes you put in it
At 64m ? he he, prolly none...but I trained myself only 3 months to be able to shoot 100% of the time at 50m with a pistol, don't you think someone who spent his whole life in it can have a fair chance to hit ?
look, i am really having fun with this game, i plan on staying here for a long time, working with whatever is thrown a me, challenges that come along and the such.
I am having fun too. I am also being frustrated to not progress at all beside the speed mods to become Master Pistoleer. This has negated a fair part of the fun. Now that my template is done, I am not having fun being One Shot every 3 seconds.
The whole difference is here : you are having fun and plan to stay a long time, I am having some fun but won't stay if I am meant to be your training target for long.
and should any dev be reading this, you should have hired someone with real weapon experience, rifles and pistols, to get their solid input, and not listen to the people crying all over the galaxy, you have to know that there are a lot of young people under the age that you require are playing this game, i happen to know of some that are only 16, you do realize that parents are buying this game for their kids to make them happy, as well as playing on same account and on different servers, so, you have a young audience out there, how do you know who to listen too?
This is the surprise for me : you're not 12 ? (I AM JUST KIDDING, pffff). But what you said here was right, perfectly right. The problem now is that it may not bring what you schemed. I'm not sure the Pistoleer Forum and his Correspondant can be labelled "very immature"...really, you should change this in your future threads.
all of your correspondents, do they have background expereince for the services they are providing for you?
I'm not correspondant and I played 2 years UO and 4 years EQ. Sounds like a fair experience of morons and nerfs. Oh, and racism too (I'm French, I know, I speak like a kid).
you gonna gripe and flame me
Why ? After all, you just called us names and whiners, then you learned us to shoot with pistols and 2 lines above you were taunting correspondants...I fail to see why someone would flame you.
look at the animation for your character when he or she is aiming the weapon they are holding, the person holding the rifle is doing some serious aiming, the person with the pistol, just holds it out in front of them and hits the intended target 70% better than the person with the rile in their hands at a distance the same as the rifleman, how is that possible
PRICELESS !
First, it is like this pistol users are firing RL. Yes mister, like this and not in another way. And it like this you aim with a Rifle too. And we already stated a Pistol can aim perfectly at 64m.
But the best part is to come :
You REALLY use in game animations as a PROOF that Riflemen should be more accurate ?
Do you know you're the first one to use this kind of pathetic argument ?
Ok, to reply you : YES, this is POSSIBLE to hit at 64m but not 70% better than a Rifle. Actually, even in SWG it is not the case. You are just a liar here, introducing false numbers and accuracy rates to add to your stupid "proof". Just priceless.
i wonder, why isnt there freedom in the enviroment for firing anyways like in any first person shooter? this is more like a turn based strategy game, then, i bet these boards would be devoid of all whining, lol
- Yeah, i am Rifleman and I want to be able to kill soemone at 100m and he cannot retaliate because I am the ROXXOR and he is the victim"
- ok, you already hit for 6 times his dmg, you are firing at the same rate, you aim perfect pool, your weapon is AP3...
- yes but my One Shot special costs me the third of my Mind Pool (he he, he will believe me)
- hmmm...ok, so let's assume you can hit him at 100m...
- YEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHH !
- ...but we introduce Line of Sight
- .........
Yes, you want things to be more realistic and being able to kill freely ? Let's introduce Line of Sight then...and try to find many places where you can see 100m straight.
I hope to read you soon