Pistoleer Archive

Now I know you pistoleers may need some fixes for certain specials and such, but you guys really dont see how good you have it. Have you noticed that there are no Carbineers in the game. You go to a city and there's Pistoleers everywhere, no Carbineers though. Are HAM costs are so high that after 4 or 5 shots were as good as incapped. One of our most powerful moves, Crippling Shot, doesnt work, and to top everything else off, they nerf our knockdown, the knockdown that took out half our HAM anyway. You guys really dont have it all that bad, in a broken game, you guys come out on top. Also Bounty Hunters should be supreme, they use 3/5 of their skill points just to get to novice, however Eye Shot is cheap, but other than that Bounty Hunters deserve their powerfulness. I just wrote this post to notify you pistoleers that you guys arent all that bad, I myself have thought of changing to Pistoleer, but decided I invested to much time to bail out now. Well good luck with your profession, hopefully youll get some of those fixes youve been wanting, I know how annoying those bugs get.

P.S.

I am by no means trying to criticize you guys, or say your too powerful, Im just here to say you dont have it to bad. Check out the Carbineer Forum, we get totally ignored. After being in the carbineer forum so long I cringe when I hear the phrase "We'll look into this". See ya.

Serious... I'm an ex-Rifleman on Flurry and I just started a pistol weilding character on Starsider, and even at just level III Marksman pistol I feel more confident in battle then as a Sniper.

-Sral

Same here, I have a pistol wielding character on Flurry, pistoleers are not broken in my opinion.

Please provide evidence to support your claim that pistoleers are not broken. We could deluge you with ours showing that while pistols work fairly well most of everything you get as a pistoleer is broken (nothing is more effective than body shot 2, which you already have as a marksman III in pistol...yeah, not broken at all...) So please, aside from your "my class is worse" fallicy, how is pistoleer not broken?

Ok, so here is your opinion : Pistoleers aren't broken at all.


Define broken because I fail to see the limit between someone with crap weapons, 90% of bugged moves, Speed Mods that disadvantage them where they should rule, with state defense bugged like hell, with almost NO state change move (ah ah, KD, yeah, let's talk about KD), with no targetted HAM working move (actually, BS2 is marksman) and who's profession defining weapon is just a joke and a Carbineer in the exact same sad situation.

On my server, there are many Carbineers too and they don't feel underpowered at all, not when fighting with me btw.


I know Carbineer is very bugged too but c'mon, don't come here and tell us we're complaining without any reason, you won't be really welcome.


We are for 90% broken, the fact you are broken TOO doesn't imply we're not.

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FLATLINEDEATH wrote:

Serious... I'm an ex-Rifleman on Flurry and I just started a pistol weilding character on Starsider, and even at just level III Marksman pistol I feel more confident in battle then as a Sniper.

-Sral

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Ouch, didn't notice this one.


Are you really telling us you feel more powerful at Marksman Pistol 3 ?

you serious ?


Ok, here it is : you seem to have no idea of what happen at higher levels (dunno how to call this, let's say lvl). At Marksman Pistol 3 you can't honestly come here and tell us Pistoleer is ok.

Or why not being Novice BH and affirm BH is perfect ?


You're not even Pistoleer and you post this ?


Ok, it's joke. Good one.

In a recent poll given by SOE, 47% of the people who answered indicated their biggest concern was getting professions fixed or enhanced. This game has a long ways to go.

Nope, no joke. As a rifleman I can't solo the Meatlumps outside Coronet because they always warp on me and kick my ass with 2.5x damage. With my scout blaster I can easily burn through them with 2 Bodyshot 2 each.

I didn't say Pistoleer wasn't broken, I just said its alot easier then using my rifle. Who knows, maybe I'll be a whining bitch like the rest of you when I get up the scale more?

Or maybe you should try out a rifleman or carbineer character? I think it would be a humbling experience for you.

-Sral

Not our fault the mob is warping on you, it happens to us too. The difference is we are supposed to be much harder to hit than you.

Yes this bug is annoying for you and yes, we don't understand this 2.5 thing.



But you're still a Marksman Pistol 3 who tells Master Pistoleers they are wrong and their class isn't that sad.


FYI, I was master Rifleman in beta and I use Carbine as a Marksman Carbine 4. I don't talk about Carbineers even being more skilled in carbines than you in pistols.



And it would be nice from riflemen if they can remember their incredible power at mastery is only at long distance, in close combat you may use a pistol, you can do it very well for only 14 skill points of Marksman. This way, you can avoid close combat problems. No one will give you the ability to shoot better with your rifle at short range, it won't happen. So why do you try to shoot someone in your feet with your AP3 Missile T21 Launcher exactly ?


You are just like us : you still have many points to balance your character's weaknesses. Just use them wisely. Are Pistoleers asking for a 6K5 ranged shot ? No, because we are meant to be fast, moving and accurate AT ANY RANGE for weak dmg. Of course we are surely a bit too accurate and you aren't enought but it is not like you have no advantage.

For sure you feel better as a Pistoleer because we do hit quite well at any range BUT we have to hit way more times our foe than a Rifleman or a Carbineer.


PS : Meatlumps aren't exactly what I hunt for sure...if really you can't kill them as a Rifleman, you should start another profession, there is something you're doing terribly wrong here. Read you own forum and this guy who solo a Gorax. A rifleman can't kill Meatlumps while another killed Gorax...what should we think ?

There is absolutely NO CHANCE for a Pistoleer to kill Gorax without an exploit and without a pet. The reason is our DPS being very low AND Gorax being AR3. You have no clue of what this mob is and what AP3 is granting you, the proof is this : many riflemen already did it.


So don't tell us Pistoleer is OK just because you succesfully killed Meatlumps with a Scout Blaster.

Okay here is my view on all of this.

First of all, Carbineers are very broken as well. They used to be fairly powerful but all the knockdown nerfs hit them hard, and SWG has done nothing to compensate them for those. Also most of their specials are broken.

Second, I also agree that warping mobs plus the 2.5 melee defense damage hurts Riflemen. If you think that is a big issue, I encourage you to go to the Rifleman forum and let your Correspondent know because right now he is NOT pushing for that and is instead pushing to nerf Pistoleers as his priority.

But I think there's a bigger issue at work here. Since I have a Rifleman character (1-0-0-0) and I have BH Carbine II I have at least some sense of those issues. The reality is that a pistol is a very noob-friendly weapon. Pistols are easy to use and the most powerful non-Bounty Hunter pistol moves are all in marksman or Novice Pistoleer. Rifle and Carbine don't work that way -- they take more skill to use well, although they can be very powerful at high levels, especially Rifle, if you're smart and know how to use the weapon. Most newbs, for instance, don't use powerups and buffs to counteract HAM costs.

The reason people on this forum are upset is because Pistoleer, as a profession -- NOT pistols, and NOT non-Pistoleer pistol skills -- is totally broken. Most of us who are high level Pistoleers are seriously considering surrendering our skills, and almost everyone here has stopped advancing and has started picking up skills from other professions, like BH or Smuggler.

Why? Because there is not a single special move in the Pistoleer tree worth getting, at this point. Many Pistoleers rely on marksman moves to kill mobs. All of the best moves are in BH and Smuggler, and the best two pistols are in BH and Commando. (The DX2 is bugged -- armor piercing doesn't work right -- and the accuracy is horrible.)

So please we agree with you that your professions have problems, without a doubt. I think the Devs need to do _something_ about Carbine HAM costs and should make knockdown useful again or else give carbines something to compensate. As for Rifle, they need to get rid of the 2.5 melee damage and the warping mobs, reduce HAM costs, and unnerf the T21. But Pistoleers have their own set of issues -- they desperately would like for their specials to work and their weapon to do something useful.

Personally I think ALL of us need to support each other in getting our professions fixed and NOT support nerfs until they are.

SWBarker,

I had a very tough time figuring out your profession. I read through pages of your last posts and saw like 1 or 2 posts on carbineer. My suggestion is, apply a lot of energy to your forum, do some work on spelling issues out, cross post to the general dicsussion board, etc. Make some noise.

Pistoleers often mention carbineers in discussions of "broken combat professions". We know.

But to say "you guys arent all that bad, I myself have thought of changing to Pistoleer, but decided I invested to much time to bail out now."

Just isn't informed. Believe me, we have discussions on this side about going carbineer. One of your big issues, HAM cost, is 100% negated by buffs, making it pretty attractive to me personally. But half your specials are bugged/broken, so why would anyone want to be a carbineer right now? Trust us, changing to pistoleer would be a mistake right now. in fact, changing to anything other than BH or commando is basically an unknown. If you get carbine/BH, at least you can compete with 95 speed rifles, BHs, and commandos, eto some degree. But just as a master carbineer or master pistoleer...forget it. RIfle, very powerful right now, but who knows what will happen if speed is changed.

I STILL mention carbines off and on even in my rants about pistoleers being broken, I hope you guys do the same and don't buy the hype that pistoleers are OK. Pistols..yeah, marksman pistol, BH pistol, these things are solid. Pistoleer as a stand along profession to master...doesn't compare.

Bottom Line:
Professions have obvious bugs and broken things that have not been so much as tweaked since July. We have one problem, and one problem alone. Professions are being fixed at an INCREDIBLY slow pace. I have seen only negative changes to pistoleers since game start, and not ONE issue fixed.

For the record, if you read my post I didn't say pistoleer wasn't broken. I just said I like my characterwith my Scout Blaster and Pistol III more then my character with 4/1/1/2 Rifleman and a T21. I wish I spent all that time on the rifle with pistol because so far my experience with pistol has been much more enjoyable then my experience with a rifle. If I didn't have so much on Flurry I'd give up my character there solely for my new aspiring pistoleer/bounty hunter on Starsider.

-Sral

"So don't tell us Pistoleer is OK just because you succesfully killed Meatlumps with a Scout Blaster."

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ROFL. Thats a good one. I dont really want to get in the middle of this, but man thats just a funny way to put that.

Well Im posting anyway so...Two of you I think said that with pistol three from marksmen you were confident in battle. Ok, so go to the marksmen board, and tell the people in there that the Pistol line is okay and doesnt need to be fixed. This is the Pistoleer forum. Not the marksmen forum. We complain in here about pistoleer stuff, and the fact that Body shot 2 is one of our best attacks. Who cares anyway