Pistoleer Archive

Come fellas, the sky hasn't fallen on our heads.

We may finally have gotten these defensive bonuses fixed. Thats something.

Lets focus on the future....before we scream about Bounty Hunters et al, I propose we concentrate on getting our own profession in working order. Lets look at it as calmy as possible and prioritise.

I propose our #1 correspondent issue for the next round of changes to be getting our special moves fixed.

- bodyshot3

-Meleedefense2

-MultitargetShot

-Disarmshots1 & 2.

Lets scream at the devs to get them working as they are supposed to, then lets worry about Bounty Hunters.

I agree with HighRoller. Get our specials fixed, then we can do further evaluations.

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I think only scream at BH's who throw around that ridiculous 217 credit argument..

I think first fix needs to be Multi Target shot.. I think the radius should be large. I mean we do health pool damage BLEH! let us shoot like 3 or 4 or 5 people in PVP and keep the high damage mod but leave a long delay on it.

I also think pistol should be least effected by moving, pistol is a small easily wielded weapon not bulky and 2 handed like other guns

I think any Idea with Disarm hitting Guns condition is dumb thats just grief.. make it like panic shot was with a delay on attack (nothing major though and put it on a decent timer)

Have Melee D 2 Dizzy

and of course fix body shot 3

I agree with this, get everything in your profession working as intended first. Then worry about what other people have.

Sorry man, I really disagree. Yes, you're right, the sky hasn't fallen insofar as we can still go around killing medium difficulty mobs in PvE. And I agree that we should worry about ourselves instead of focusing on the BHs.

But I think the "calm, rational" style is what got us in this mess to begin with. While other professions were screaming about why their professions were broken, we were compiling data and analyzing our profession. I happen to LIKE being rational and calm, but the bottom line is that the Devs don't listen to you unless you are loud and whiny. We have to make ourselves heard.

Right now the biggest issue in my mind isn't specials at all. It's damage per second. At the newb marksman level pistol provides the best damage per second, but once you compare advanced Pistoleers versus advanced Carbineers or advanced Commandos or advanced Riflemen we come up way short. We need them to fix the way speed works in this game, because one of our class's big advantages was SUPPOSED to be the speed of our guns. Unfortunately once you get a high enough +speed modifier that advantage is negated and we're left holding pea shooters against machineguns and rocket launchers.

I also think that the fact that NONE of our specials are useful is a cause for alarm. As is the fact that our class has a lot of defensive skills that currently do not work. Sorry pal, those aren't fixed, at least as far as I can tell. I mean if this is all that +30 Dodge does, they can keep it -- I'm not interested in dodging once every 30-40 attacks.

Right now the Devs are doing an initial "balance" of the game ... aftera few months, they're not going to be willing to make major changes to the combat classes. If we don't get their attention and get ourselves fixed in the next couple of months, there's a good chance we'll be the class that is gimped for the next few years. Sure, lots of newbs will choose pistol for the looks (just like the folks who played Paladin in EQ, when it was gimped for years) but the rest of us will have to move on and start over.

You might want to start with the DX2, I think it could use a change of resource requirement, maybe make it the same requirement as a scatter pistol. (doonium, i believe).

On my server DX2s are abundant ... they just suck. I have a bunch of them and the damage numbers look cool, but they are really inaccurate if you're out of close range. Plus they eat HAM pretty bad. My scatter pistol is way better.

Hi Philospher, perhaps I should clarify. I'd like us to calmy approach what needs to be fixed, not let our emotions against certain other professions get in the way.

Then lets SCREAM at the Devs to make the changes that we have prioritised. I think Special moves are so important that they need to be fixed first....and its certainly something the Dev's would pay more attention to than twirling ourPistols. I mean lets face it, off the top of my head...what, 50% of our specials dont work? If the Devs don't listen to that, they won't listen to anything.

Agreed. We're on the same page then.

I think the speed issue is #1 in my opinion, because the bottom line is thatMaster Pistoleersshoot out a lot less damage per second compared to other Masters of elite professions.

Specials are a close second, definitely. In my mind ALL of our specials are pretty lame, not just 50%. Which ones are so great, really? Our best special now is HealthShot2, which you get at Novice anddoes less damage than carbine or rifle bleeds because our weapons hit for less damage -- plus unlike carbine it doesn't have a state effect. Our only other worthwhile special is pistolwhip, which is now on a timer. It's not so great, especially since other classes can knock someone down from 64m away. Fanshot sucks ... worse than BodyShot2 usually. Stopping Shot and BodyShot3 are only useful if you also have BH pistol. The rest are all broken.

Defenses are definitely an issue as well, although I'd rather get our weapons fixed first because defenses are an issue that isn't specific to Pistoleers. So that's the #3 issue overall in my mind.

well, actually I would agree, but (speaking with the words of holocron) after years of mmorpg development and massive experience in forum behavior etc, I come to the conclusion that you have to scream, whine, flame (regardless of devs say) to get attention and changes. Actually I don't like it at all, because I want to see all players be happy and have fun, but it simply doesn't work.

If you be nice and quite, if you think that others are more broken than you, you'll never get anything. Sooner or later it will be like 'it allways worked for you, why didn't you complain earlier?'.

screaming, whining, crying for nerfs is the only way to go. period.

if you want to be fair, you have to do it for all bugged professions - after you got the attention for your playstyle, but keeping calm doesn't change anything.

To be honest, we're much better now than you are giving us credit for. The key to that lies in moving and the marksmanship line. Try it and see.