Pistoleer Archive

To all those that have reason to complain over whether a BH is too powerful, my question is have you tried both? Not at the same time, I mean have you tried being a BH? I started out as a pistoleer i was the proud holder of a 2/3/3/1 pistoleer tree. I joined a guild and lost many times to the dreadful eyeshot and knockdown. So i wised up, or thought i wised up and went the BH rout im now the proud holder of 2/0/3/1 BH tree. I must say that there is valid reasons for bounty hunters to complain about lack of skill points and the need to keep out powerful attacks. I read many times when I was a pistoleer about how certain things were useless. If your a bh the scout tree is basically all worthless, we cant use traps on npc's and i never use more than a basic camp. Now the point of this post is when i was a pistoleer i was headed toward a master ch and nearly a master medic. Now as a bh, i have more powerful attacks in pvp but so what, i cant solo dantooine or any of the other difficult planets with out the much hated at-st or a high level pet. The point of this post is to say that ive been both a pistoleer and im a current bh, but bh is only good at pvp the bh missions are worthless, they actually cost money to do them when you level up. As a pistoleer/ch/medic i was getting 100k a day on dantooine running 10k missions. I understand both sides because ive played both sides. How many of you? I actually long for the days i could solo high level planets. I dont care about the StarWars universe and the uberness of a pistoleer. In the game pistoleer IS a complimentary profession. Is that the devs fault? of course b/c pistoleers feel that they should be the best a pistoleer and with right to think so. But i could do more damage on the whole as a pistoleer/ch/medic as far as high level creatures and mobs than i can as a bh/pharm tree. If you want to be uber at pvp go bh, its difficult as it should be and you will get combat bonuses, if you want to be more rounded and in some ways more uber get pistoleer and a complimentary profession whether it be commando, smuggler, or ch. As a bh i have no option to be rounded, im good at pvp only thats why i regret the days when i could kill practically anything like high level creatures. Just my 2 credits

Trysidius

Most Pistoleers don't give a crap about Bounty Hunters. We just want our own profession to be fixed.

Thanks for coming here to share your thoughts with us, but we'd appreciate it if you go back to your own board to whine about Bounty Hunters. We just want to fix our profession and don't care how cool Bounty Hunters are.

Have a nice day.

I came up with a strange thought for this BH pistol vs Pistoleer issue. Why not make pistoleer moves only work on pistoleer guns and BH moves work only on BH weapons. Of course this means they would have to fix the DX2 since it is the only pistoleer specific weapon that actually works (sorta) This should apply to bonuses also, this would keep the BH pistol and pistoleer stacking of speed bonusues down and maybe even keep the BHs off our message boards

Why yes, I HAVE in fact tried both, and not at the same time.

As I'm sure you've read Q's post yesterday about forthcoming changes, I think positive things will be done for both professions. One thing of particular interest is the "chained attacks" similar to what may other games have... ie- style 2 can only be executed upon successful completion of style 1, etc. That will help prevent things like one shot being spammed over and over (you know which one I mean) by giving reason for people to use various ones. Additionally, Eyeshot is moving higher in the profession which is something I was perfectly willing to accept as a bounty hunter (even though I'm not one any longer).

There is one thing that is fundamentally flawed the entire comparitive argument... Pistoleer should certainly be compared and balanced with the likes of riflemen and carbineer, but you cannot and should not directly compare it to bounty hunter. Despite having retired, I will ALWAYS think that a pure bounty hunter should beat a pure pistoleer every time. Now... if you take that pistoleer and add things like medic, ranged support, or whatever other skills of your choosing so that you're in fact comparing two fully realized character templates both with EMPHASIS on combat, --then-- and only then can you talk about comparing and balancing. But sorry... despite being a Pistoleer now I will NEVER think it should BY ITSELF trump a BH.

The SPEED problem still remains, sorry.

Oh, and it is not the Pistoleers's fault if BH in SWG means ASSASSIN. A Bounty Hunter (like its name suggest it) is a HUNTER....that Hunts BOUNTIES. It is NOT someone with Assassin and easy killing skills. The Dev Team failed on him too because the whole fun Part of a BH is bypassed by many of them, going to BH ONLY to get those certs and speed bonuses.

I feel sad for BH that has no real correspondant (Jaegen shown what a Correspondant is, with brio), no real identity (everybody and its dog is running for BH to be viable in PvP...absurd) and a broken line (yeah, they do too, the most Profession Defining line is a pure waste). BH also need to be MASTER Marksman when they only need Pistol and Carbine (LLC is a different weapon, very BH specific), the Rifle and ranged lines are 28 + 6 (for master) skill points the waste (according to them and force to admit it is true).

Scout is a "must have", sorry. I can't imagine a decent Combat Prof without the ability to run after or from ennemies. That being said, the TRAP line SHOULD affect NPC and PCs too...after all, a humanoid is an animal before all, every scout trap will for sure affect him. Give those trap some utility.

Something BH can't realise is THEY are now a "second class" profession. Most of PPL are going to BH because of the Speed Bug but they only need 1 line. Do you realise that you will see MANY Novice BH with those Scatters or LLC just to kill in PvP but very rarely Expert BH ? BH is a second choice profession nowadays, it comes in complement of something else (like Master CH or Master Pistoleer, nice combo should be Master Pistoleer - BH 0 0 4 0 and CH able to call 1 Graul Mauler...yes, can't see what can kill you). Sure healing is important but since in PvP you reappear completely healed if you were cloned here, who cares ?



CH is in a very sad situation too you know (I'm Master CH and Master Pistoleer - Novice Medic 4 0 0 0) : Rancors and Gurrecks were SLAUGHTERED by Dev Teams, their resist don't even come close to the Graul Mauler BUT they are lvl 50 where the Mauler is lvl 34. lvl 34 for this beast, at Master CH lvl I only use one of them, no need to call 2 or 3 GSP or any other combo : this pet owns everything that run, fly or swim. When I killed Gorax with 5 fellows, my 2 Maulers were enought to tank him (he uses specials for 4k or so but Mauler is light armor and 75% kinetics, melee dmg are divided by 8 ! 9700 HAM, figure).


What to think about all of this ? Bah actually, beside Riflemen, there is NO REASON for someone to become Master. There is much more efficient and quick. Master Pistoleer is a waste of time as it stands, just because it is MUCH QUICKER to be Pistoleer 0 0 4 0 and BH 0 0 4 0 than just Master Pistoleer.

BH should realise they have NO combat XP to get, the Speed Bonuses for Pistoleers are Combat XP, it makes a HUGE difference. Only using my combat XP in the pistoleer tree (after ranged 4 of course, which Pistoleer are taking too, not a BH only line), I was 4 4 4 2 of Pistoleer tree. You must realise how long this line is to raise. Of course, when your gun is hitting for twice mine and your LLC just makes it 10 times better, the Combat XP is much faster...ut when your only gun to use is a poor AP0 or AP1 Acid broken or AP1 Energy slow like nail, this XP is a bit long to come. I even stopped using 2 Maulers just because the second one was taking a fair amount of XP.



I would really like to see a Master of a Profession BE efficient, not a melting pot of 2 first boxes being ultimate. This is clueless.



And a good start should be to not allow Speed Mods to stack on the same tier lvl. I've said it 30 times, no real answer to this (I mean with argues, not just "no please"). It will give BH their role back (well, someone able to put you out or order very quickly but NOT to kill you very quickly - able to track you in the galaxy). No casual BH (most important thing : why bother beginning BH if it is useless unless you reach at least 2 4 4 2 ?). I'ma actually saving their so precious Skill Points, since if Speed Mods can't stack, why bother rushing another profession line ? for special moves ? well, when it will get fixed, we'll see. For the moment, the only true reason are Speed Mods.


Bah...I know no one is reading me (I'm a poor English narrator and I have really hard time to explain exactly what I think) but I really think Speed Mods shouldn't stack. I fail to see any RP / In Game explanation for them to stack. Imagine 2 persons typewriting, a developper and a secretary. They surely have to type very fast, it is their job to be as quick as possible to be more and more efficient, not to mention they will be very precise on the keyboard too. Now imagine a developper assuming some administrative role, thus typewriting some letters quite often...do you REALLY think he will type as fast as both Dev Only and Secretary Only ?

It is the exact same thing but you all naturally know their speed won't stack...explain me WHY Speed Mods are stacking in SWG then...

ZabrakGurl: I love your sig. It is really the same reason why I 'retired' from being a BH.... I just enjoyed taming pets and group hunting more than taking out some 11K HAM mark in the middle of nowhere.

As for this thread, I was a BH at 0341 (never trained investigation - still have the XP). The BH pistol line is pretty powerful. The bonuses to Pistol speed and accuracy are tremendous - not to mention the bonuses just for being a master marksman - something that most Pistoleers do not have and all BH must have.

Dyriel: You bring up some great, thought-out points... I have just about the same character as you. I'm 4434 CH and3334 Pistoleer and I'm 4100 medic. I think, number-wise, the BH has higer accuracy and speed than a Pistoleer, or is VERY close...That, in itself, amazesme when you compare the amounts of pistol XP needed in each profession...

Trysidius: Those are the main reasons why I left BH. You can't really solo high-level PVE (unless you have medic/CH skills)... Pistoleer/CH is a great combo for solo'ing and/or small groups. I have no problem with any missions on Dantooine (except those **edit** Bile Drenched Quenkers - do they make a pistol with cold damage? ). If you want to Master BH, you are really limited inwhat you have left... can't be well-rounded at all.

I'm a pistoleer and I'll stay a pistoleer until it's fixed. I want to be a pistoleer. I don't want to be a BH to use my pistol skills effectively.

That said... pistoleer and BH should not compare. You are right. A BH takes many more prerequisites to pick up. Whenever I see a pistoleer comparing himself to a BH, I have to immediately question their thinking.

However, we SHOULD be precisely equivalent to rifleman and carbineer... and we're not. This class is broken and does need fixes. But on the point of how we compare to BH, you're right. It's apples and oranges.

-Aubenn