Pistoleer Archive
Thread: What pistoleers should be capable of (pvp and pve)
Thought i'd start a new thread instead of going off topic.
My view of a pistoleer is that he is a quick fighter, supporting melee and defending carbineers and snipers. In a group situation he switches targets depending on who needs the support to deal with an aggro enemy and to keep enemies away from the long ranged players who have no defence again melee.
Take the current snorbul missions on lok of which i'm doing a fair few. As a pistoleer i try to defend others and control animals. If i see someone being chased i try to go over and knock the animal down, or warning shot away, then switch back to my main target. I see pistoleers in that role, just with all our specials working. I see us being able to inflict dizzy and blind, switching targets to help the people who do the real damage by controlling mobs and protecting the damage givers by making the enemies hit them less. I see a master pistoleer as the ultimate defender, being able to inflict multiple status effects on white con mobs in quick sucession so that they don't get a chance to break through to attack the longer ranged players, or so they don't inflict too much damage on the tanks. He should be able to save his own skin not by killign the enemy, but by giving time for some else to, or time to run away.
A combination of warning shots, point blank status like dizzy and blind, disarming shots that disarm and a multi target that is feared would be my ideal pistoleer. not being able to so 2k hit stopping shots. i would prefer a stopping shot to stop an opponant, not inflict random ham damage. take the hit points down but add a posture change status.
Bascially a pistoleer, in my eyes, should not be soloing high end mobs or winning in PvP against master bounty hunters or comandos. The same way a sniper shouldn't be, or a combat medic should be. SWG inflicts very specific roles on each of its characters and as such you can never expect duels between these roles to be balanced. Although i agree a 10k shot is a bit much for a BH, it is valid in that a BH is supposed to be a master of soloing enemies, same as a commando. Although it may be unfair it is consistant with the role each character has. If a pistoleer wants to take out a BH he will need backup, simple as that, and perfectly fair in my view.
I do not expect, as a pistoleer, to be able to beat a BH of comparative level.
I look forward to when a pistoleer's role is fixed and we are welcome in a group situation as a needed player, and not just someone who does health damage.
Those 10k shots you're seeing are done at basically melee range. In PvP, if you as a pistoleer let anyone get into melee range you're dead. There are 6 professions that will totally rip us apart at melee range. Our best bet is around the 30-40m ranges. Then we're vulnerable to the carbineers but no one really should be impervious.
Bascially a pistoleer, in my eyes, should not be soloing high end mobs or winning in PvP against master bounty hunters or comandos.
I disagree. It depends on what pistoleers do with their remaining skill points. It also depends on the terms fo the fight. Close range? Long range? etc.
The same way a sniper shouldn't be, or a combat medic should be. SWG inflicts very specific roles on each of its characters and as such you can never expect duels between these roles to be balanced.Although i agree a 10k shot is a bit much for a BH, it is valid in that a BH is supposed to be a master of soloing enemies, same as a commando.Although it may be unfair it is consistant with the role each character has. If a pistoleer wants to take out a BH he will need backup, simple as that, and perfectly fair in my view.
*I'll quit if it ever comes to that. Well, quit or work on XP'ing BH. And what fun is that? To compete you have to play one of two specific professions? That is a recipe for failure in PvP.
I do not expect, as a pistoleer, to be able to beat a BH of comparative level.
*I expect to beat ANYONE if I play better than they do, and have better buffs/armor/weaponry, and tactics and have spent ALLmy skill points on combat.Comparitve level? If a pistoleer spends every remaining skill point on combat related skills, why should they NOT be comparable to someone that spent most of their skill points on combat related skills? Makes no sense to me. And maybe it never will.
i totally agree jaegan. so if i am a master pistoleer and then i go and master carbineer and also master scout or master marksman i should by all the silly sp arguments that i hear from the bh's win all my fights against a bh correct?
Jaegen88 wrote:
I do not expect, as a pistoleer, to be able to beat a BH of comparative level.
*I expect to beat ANYONE if I play better than they do, and have better buffs/armor/weaponry, and tactics and have spent ALLmy skill points on combat.Comparitve level? If a pistoleer spends every remaining skill point on combat related skills, why should they NOT be comparable to someone that spent most of their skill points on combat related skills? Makes no sense to me. And maybe it never will.
Spending points on other professions is valid enough, but that doesn't make you a pistoleer then really, you are a hibrid, like a BH. I was speaking it terms of a pistoleer such as myself, who has no other combat skills (I prefer good medic and CH skills - ignore the influence of pets in the PvP, i don't PvP). Maybe a pistoleer who has also mastered carbineer for example will be a match for a BH, but not just a pistoleer.
That's probably obviously thou. i should have been clearer.
although having said that, because i don't duel in PvP and to be honest don't intend to yet,i am perfectly happy with a BH owning me as it fits with the role a BH is. In my view i shouldn't be fighting one without backup.
Leviath0n80 wrote:
Spending points on other professions is valid enough, but that doesn't make you a pistoleer then really, you are a hibrid, like a BH. I was speaking it terms of a pistoleer such as myself, who has no other combat skills (I prefer good medic and CH skills - ignore the influence of pets in the PvP, i don't PvP). Maybe a pistoleer who has also mastered carbineer for example will be a match for a BH, but not just a pistoleer.
That's probably obviously thou. i should have been clearer.
although having said that, because i don't duel in PvP and to be honest don't intend to yet,i am perfectly happy with a BH owning me as it fits with the role a BH is. In my view i shouldn't be fighting one without backup.
i didnt know that bh came with the "you cant beat me in pvp tag". im pretty sure that now what the bh is.