Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Raph's post -- kiss of death?
Anyone else get a creepy feeling from Raph's ("Holocron") recent post in this forum?
He basically asks the community "why are there so many novice pistoleers lately?"
After his "where there's smoke there's fire" post about Pistoleers probably being too powerful because we didn't complain enough in our first issues report, I don't have a lot of faith in where he's going with this.
What can we do constructively to encourage the developers to fix other classes (and our own) rather than trying to find out where the majority of players are having fun and then nerfing that to hell to make them switch professions and keep busy??
Spirit
I find his lack of UNDERSTANDING disturbing..... maybe if a couple of developers actually played the game they might have a clue.
The way I see it is we didn't ask for enough because not many people were far enough in the tree to realize how little there was.
How many of us do you really see asking for holsters now?
I find his lack of UNDERSTANDING disturbing..... maybe if a couple of developers actually played the game they might have a clue.
That above quote is the ENTIRE reason the devs cant seem to balance the classes.
They don't play and don't listen to anyone who does.
They read charts and graphs and make descisions based on databases.
It's a shame
To address a few of the more bitter and cynical points brought up:
- no, this isn't preparatory to a nerf, unless we find that there is in fact some major exploit. We don't tend to think that it's a scenario like that, because there has not been a rise in Master Pistoleers--just a rise in Novice Pistoleers. If there were a huge exploit, you'd expect people to have raced up the pistol skills and gotten Master just because it was easy to do so.
-Raph Koster,
Creative Director
This was posted on page 14 in Holo's "postofdeath". I sure hope he sticks to that statement.
//Jobbe
No doubt.
The reasons are blatantly obvious. Three classes can use it's special abilities. Commando HAS to. I'm a Commando and I took it because it let me do more then 100 dmg per shot with a LP.
It's cheaper. It's got better weapons (due to resources quality, and spec resource quality on average is -horrible-)...
yeah its the kiss of death. thank god for meleeproffesions or we would be at the bottom of the food chain soon.
I am disgusted to say in the least. 275,000 players subscribed to this game;we know how the game works.. the developers dont play it 80 hours a week.. WE do. I appreciate that they do listen to us on many issues.. but this really gives me a bad taste in my mouth.
The real question should be "How can we get everyone to go up Carbine or Rifle instead of Pistol?". I think that would be a much more valid question.. and it would help fix those two weapons.. because even though he says there is no nerf coming up in his above post.. I really doubt that is true at this point. The only thing we have seen since release is things being taken away from us.
The released the game with it being way to easy.. and ever since have been trying to make it harder..It would be nice if they would make the other combat classes stronger instead of nerfing the last good one in PVE.
I am glad someone posted about this. I read his rebuttal on page 14 as well, but I still dont' believe him. I am sure we are screwed and it seems like the devs think this is fun. I know I might just being paranoid, but I really think that post stunk of warning.
What really gets my goat is the fact that he is basically seeing that every class is broken and the only way to fix it is to break everything evenly rather than fix everything evenly. SOE has shown that they have no patience to fix anything and all they know is the nerf bat. They must be figuring that since Pistolleer has so many novices now that it has to be nerfed to be "brough in line" with other professions. He hasn't even acknowledged the FACT that this should be the other way around. Other classes need to be brought more in line with Pistol and BH. He also hasn't acknowledge that Pistol and BH are both still broken, just not AS MUCH as other classes. The HAM costs for other classes are way out of line, 2 specials shouldn't kill anyone. Hell, maybe the only thing that should incapped or kill anyone is Health. Just make it so specials only drain action or mind and when too low you just cant do specials. But that is another topic.
Commando and TKA are beyond unplayable, except your a Commando with some pistol skills. I haven't tried them but work closely with guild mates that have been working those trees and it's hard not to feel their pain when you see them in action, or lack thereof. Unfortunatly they see that I don't die instantly when I spam BS2 to take out a mob and assume I am uber. Comparativly I probably am, but we all know that pistoleer is still pretty horked.
I wouldn't even mind if SOE ignored us for a few weeks in order to bring other classes up and start getting them semi fixed. But we know that wont happen. They are going to nerf pistoleers ( A BROKEN CLASS GETTING NERFED ) and then say the other classes are fixed now that pistol sucks just as bad.
I know I am rambling, but for some odd reason this has actually made me angry, odder still it's the only time I have been REALLY pissed at SOE since launch.
As for my reasons for pistolleer, it's been my intent since june 29th when I saw that my original idea, smuggler, had nothing to do with being a badass pistol user/pilot/brawler all around han soloish guy. All it had was a weak line from brawler (no brawler smuggler tree), a fairly decent pistol tree, 1 tree devoted to drugs (not that I roleplay, but that just isn't my thing, in game or out), and 1 tree devoted to languages. LANGUAGES? **edit**? Slicing seemed cool though, but a smuggler was NOTHING like I wanted to be. Pistoleer was much more customizeable to my idea of what a smuggler should be. And according to the erronous description of it in the manual, I thought it would be a good profession. Little did I know then that there really aren't any good or versitile WORKING proffessions in SWG.
Two last things - sorry bout that - 1. He admitted that the DEV's barely play the game. That we would know more than the DEV's do about the game. Didn't the DEV's make the game? Shouldn't the be in the loop? 2. His posting time would have been more constructive if he had posted on the TKA or Commando board and said "Hey, I hear your proffession sucks and is worthless and broken, how can we help?". Instead he decidedto basically come and threaten pistolleers.