Pistoleer Archive

You know, I keep reading the responses from both the pistoleers and rifleman and I keep seeing essentially the same root argument. Do you think these the DPS should be even across the board. For the basis of answering this, I want to use the number that rifle is currently doing 2.5x the damage as pistols. I dont care about the speed equation. I dont want to here other balancing issues. Lets say nothing changes. Im looking for real reasons here justifying your position. Saying "because thats the way it should be" is not a reason. Also realize that weapon speed is a function of DPS. If you increase the delay on rifles, the damage needs to go up to compensate. If you dont understand DPS or how it works, ask. I (along with many other people on this board) would be glad to explain it you. Just post your answer (yes/no) and post the reasons.

My answer is no, they should not be even.

Reasons being we have the 2.5x melee modifier preventing us from being able to take any real sort of damage. We also have extreme problems with sustained DPS due to our specials using mind instead of a healable pool.

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P.S. Sorry if you see this as trolling. But I dont think (yes, I will post it there too) I am going to get a real objective view of things on the rifle board.

I think the DPS should be even. I don't see what the 2.5 melee modifier has to do with balancing versus pistoleer, since we're not melee. Why does the 2.5 melee modifier give you a disadvantage against us? It doesn't. Frankly I think the 2.5 melee thing is stupid and should be removed.

Also, I support increasing rifle damage to make sure that they are getting the right amount of DPS. They should hit slower shots that are much harder than ours, so they can kill in just 1-3 hits while we have to shoot a lot of fast shots that are much weaker.

You're not trolling - it's a valid question.

It's actually one of those "million dollar questions" that we need to get some guidance on from the devs. We can all sit here and argue until we're blue in the face about how "things should be" - but without an understanding from the developers about what their original intent was, it's all kinda pointless.

That said, I think that DPS should be roughly the same across the various weapon types.

when you compare a master pistoleer/carb/rifleman then yes i think the dps should even. that is ideal balance. all wpns should be balanced in effectiveness which is what dps demonstrates. they just should go about getting the dps in different ways.

then i think prof utilities need to be balanced outside of the damage equation. right now as crappy as the riflemen think thier utilitiies are, im pretty sure the pistol utilities are worse. but thats a different argument. do you want a ranged db or a 3-5 percent dodge ability? i think those are pretty close to balanced in usefulness or lack there of...

balance ensures diversity in the player community. thats why a good mmo always strives for balance

Rifleman and Pistolier dps should be different. Rifleman and pistolier damage over time should be the same... They are different... Rifleman use mind and LOTS of itwhich cant be healed, that needs to be taken into account... Atm we alsohave a VERY small optimum range so we need to do have HIGHDPS to kill the mob before he gets in melee range for PvE sake.

There is my opinion....

I think 2.5 should be removed also, Im a Doctor.. I HATE GROUPING with rifleman lol

OK what if a master rifleman and master pistolereer both stood at 31.5m, and started firing at each other at exactlly the same time, niether one using any specials.

Who should be incapped first? In that situation I'd say it should bevery even.

Atover 32mand no specials, the rifleman should win more.

At under 31m and no specials, pistoleer.

Boborina I agree that HAM costs should be considered ... although right now rifle HAM costs are too high. They need to look into that, and you guys should raise it as an issue.

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Boborina wrote:

Rifleman and Pistolier dps should be different. Rifleman and pistolier damage over time should be the same

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ROFL....**edit** does that mean

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Could, add one more question here. Have you ever played an MMORPG before and if so which one. Me, I came from EQ and I know Samra came from DAoC.

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oaktree68 this is what i mean...

Damage per second ...This is short term dmg when your looking at a 10 second interval.

Damage over time... Thisis when you look at total damage over10 minutes.

They are different because how the game is now pistoliers have a MUCH higher damage over time but Rifleman have a MUCH higher damage per second. The factor causeing this is HAM costs because A) rifleman mind cant be healed by a doctor and B) are riflemans HAM usage ishigher....

OK, so basically u like the system as is. Rifleman have high DPS but no ability to sustain it. Am I correct. And which MMORPG u come from Bob??

Although that system becomes borked once they make mind healable. Personally I think they should just reduce the darn HAM costs to begin with. It's dumb that riflemen don't wear helmets because the HAM costs are so high.