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what does pistol speed equate to? i have seen many posts (having to do with the BH / Pistoleer) that have to do with this skill. is it the time that it takes between specials or time it between shots in default attack mode? and how does the weapons speed equate in to this value?

It's the modifier that reduces the time required between both specials and default attacks.

Now how does that factor into weapon speed? is weapon speed the "theoretic" speed at witch i gun can fire and with a higher pistol speed mod ypu fire closer to that speed. for instance; my scout fires at 1.3 (sliced), now will i fire at closer to one round every 1.3 seconds with a higher pistol speed mod?

Unfortunately all we can give you at this point are best guesses and initial test results, so some of these may be incorrect, or at the very least, incomplete.

Various speed related factoids believed to be true (I'll stick a number from 1 to 5 after each one, with 1 being "Damned if we know, but this is our current guess." to 5 being "This is commonly accepted to be true and we'll all be surprised if it's proven otherwise.":

Weapon speed is really weapon DELAY, in seconds, so a 2.2 speed pistol fires, when using regular attacks only, and having no pistol speed skill, once every 2.2 seconds. (5)

1.0 is the minimum attack delay. (4)

Slicing and power ups both modify pistol speed before any other calculations are done. (4)

Special attacks have both a damage multiplier and an attack delay multiplier, so a given special attack will make you attack 1.25x slower, or 1.75x slower, etc... (4)

Final attack delay is your pistol speed (modified by slicing and power ups), times the delay multiplier of your attack (x1.0 when just using "attack"), adjusted down based on your weapon speed skill, still with that minimum cap of 1.0. (3.5 )

Now things get dicier...

The adjustment due to your weapon speed skill is minus 5% for every 10 pts of skill or minus 0.1 to the delay for every 10 pts of skill. Yeah - conflict here. The 0.1 per 10 used to be the top theory. Lately the 5% for every 10 pts has been postulated more often and I haven't seen arguments against it at least, but I've also only seen one post claiming some test results to back it up. However, it makes more sense because otherwise a 100 rifle speed skill person would gain less from the skill than a 100 pistol speed skill person would (because rifles have larger delays, so the improvement would be a smaller percentage - we can double the speed of our weapon, they could get a 25% improvement...) I'd give the 5% per 10 a confidence of (3.5) and the 0.1 per 10 a (2)...

Weapon speed skills over 100 continue to help your weapon speed. (3.5)

And here's the biggest "Ummm, beat's us" of all: When using special attacks, *IF* the reduction due to weapon speed skill is percentage based, is the amount subtracted at the end of the calculation a percentage of the weapon's base skill, or a percentage of the delay multiplier modified value?

Good summary Yeti. I'll use this as a starting point for the next round of tests I do, instead of starting in the dark

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YetiIronfist wrote:

Special attacks have both a damage multiplier and an attack delay multiplier, so a given special attack will make you attack 1.25x slower, or 1.75x slower, etc... (4)

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Just to clarify that statement a teeny bit, I think the delay of any attack occurs after the shot is fired. So if you perform a special attack with 2x delay, you will wait twice as long after firing it, before you can fire again. I assume this because I don't seem to have to wait long when firing my first stopping shot.

great reply Yeti! that gives me an idea of how it all comes together. thanks for your input

SmugglerFlux - I'm not certain I understand what you're saying, but I think we have the same understanding of their operation You're pointing out the fact that the first shot is a "freebie" not affected by delay and that the delay is always the time after your shot before the next one - right? If I'm not understanding, please try again

Yes that's all I'm saying. I think delayoccurs afterthe shot, not before. Nothing majorly groundbreaking, but since you had an excellent description of all the known facts and theories on weapon speed, I thought I'd throw that one in for you to include in your next summary.

I have been told that weapon speed below 2.2 makes no difference in DPS (1.6 is the same as a 2.2) ....except for pistoleer's getting it to lower down further with pistol speed skill. I would love to think other wise but the people you told me were veryvery adiment about the fact.

Thought?

Check out the FAQ, a few posts down on "pistol speed". Your pistol speed can lead you to the correct choice of weapon speed and special use that offers the most bang.

And I think that's very relevant Smuggler, especially when comparing higher damage weapons/specials that do more damage at t0 than other, higher DPS specials/weapons.

When I added my templates pistol speed a while back [my number might be off by 5 or so] I got 86... Is that a good speed?

When done my temp will look somewhat like this

4000 tka

0040 smuggler

master pistoleer

When those 3 parts are done I get 86 pistol speed, will my last ditch move be fast or will i not even notice a difference when shooting?