Pistoleer Archive
Thread: BH and Fanshot/Stoppingshot
PoisonedWell wrote:
Being a BH, I think we should have a few added bonuses.
Let's consider to become a master pistoleer you need to spend 92 Skill Points.
To become a Master BH we need to spend 217 skill points.
I think it is only fair that BH's get additional bonuses. On the negative though, we gain in additional attacks, but lose on defenses. I think they are fairly balanced as is.
no one becomes a MBH with rare exceptions. right now BH dabblers get eyeshot and skill points aside the XP requirements to get eyeshot are considerably lower than mastering pistoleer. now making eyeshot a master level skill is just fine with me. i can beat eyeshot anyway with a good helm, PSG, and a lil luck.
Um, I don't really "enjoy" getting raped by BHers right now...but the thing is, the game is based on the fact that people can Dabble.
Once the gunfighter class is fixed, we won't suck so bad.
Give it time, I know I am. I'd take a beating from a BHa million times before joining them. I can't wait for master smuggler/master pistoleer + the fixes when they come in. You'll see one day, BHers crying cuz we can dodge their shots, crying cuz our DX2 just turned Uber, crying cuz bodyshot 3 isn't broken anymore, crying cuz we're faster, crying crying crying.
Soon, they will pay. And they are gonna carry our weight
can't wait for master smuggler/master pistoleer + the fixes when they come in.
A well speced master smuggler/master pistoleer who understands the professions' abilities will win most of the time.
Oh I know, I was saying I'm not there yet.
And as far as fixes, I'm talking about pistoleer skills that seem to be non-existent at the moment. The dude saying "cry me a river" obviously doesn't understand that the majority of us just want our specials to work. We don't neccessarily all want to just outright beat a BH, but a BH with only pistol 2 makes no logical sense when he's fighting a master pistoleer and he wins. F*** the skill point cost of BH by the way. Don't use that as a defense. The only reason you're willing to sacrifice that many skill points is cuz you want to get eyeshot, not cuz you want to be a BH. I think if eyeshot was at master (which i know is a constantly debated topic), there would be more pistoleers than BHers. The really dedicated people that want to be BHers, would go for master BH, and the really dedicated people that want to be Pistoleers would go pistoleer. It just makes more sense. I'm not saying BHers shouldn't get good pistol skills, I'm just saying don't use skill point cost as an excuse to beat a master.
Reading this as somone with 0/0/4/4 in BH and0/1/0/3in pistoleer, I am suprised to see so many bh with pistoleer skills in the like that gives stoping shot and fanshot. My thinking was that I like the bh moves and would rather get more + mods that you get in the line that adds to accuracy and accuracy while moving than getting pistoleer moves.
Am I wrong? Does getting more + to accuracy when you have 4 in bh pistol line not help as much as getting stoping shot or fanshot? I have no idea if they cap or as you get high in + to mods they start to not effect your accuracy as it would if you didn't ahve 4 in bh pistol line? I was planning on getting 0/4/0/4 to complement my pistol skills that I have from 4 in bh pistol line.
Hope this makes sense coffie still hasn't kicked in fully.
"If you're losing to a Novice BH who only has BH Pistols 2...then dude you suck and online games aren't for you go back to Pong"
BULLLLLLLLLLLLLSH1T kiddo. Where have you been? Eyeshot + scatter pistol = insta-anyone rape."
I refuse to believe that a Master Pistoleer is capable of losing to someone who just has BH Pistols 2.
The Pistoleer should have much greater speed, therefore allowing him to fire stoppingshot faster than the BH can fire eyeshot.
Like I said go back to Pong.
DilatedPeoples wrote:
I'm not sure if the whole pistoleer community feels like this, but I think a majority of us don't want to be able to beat MBH's 1 on 1. A MBH has His carbine for ranged KD, eyeshot for unhealable damage/blind, and LLC so once they close in, they can 1 shot.If used all three, a master pistoleer stands no chance vs a MBH, and this is the way it should be.But a BH with just BH pistol4 vs master pistoleer... a master pistoleer should win. A BH is jack of all trades, master of none.They are NOTMasterPistoleer/Master Carbineer/Master commando . They shouldn't be superior/better in all three weapons then the father profession, but with the diversity of all the weapons, they should be able to hand any non-bh their asses. Understand now? -DP
I absolutely agree with that sentiment.
I consider this argument as pistol versus pistol. The moment a BH pulls out a carbine and moves out of the ideal pistol range, the equation should change, which is the strength of a BH. Pistol versus pistol, the Pistoleer should mop up the Bounty Hunter. The BH is a dabbler, plain and simple.
In fact, I think a Pistoleer with two or threefull lines of the tree should horsewhip the Master Bounty Hunter assuming they both duel with pistols.
If you dedicate an entire skill tree to a single weapon, it only makes sense to be the best user of that weapon. BH's advantage is versatility - they get three branches of great weapons skills in a variety of ranges. The advantage of a Master Bounty Hunter should be able to get about 75% the power of a Master Pistoleer, a Master Carabineer, and a Master Rifle/Hybrid all wrapped into one. It would be impossible to get so much firepower if someone tried to simply get elite skills in the respective branches - and impossible in the case of the Rifle/Hybrid (that's LLC)line. To top it off, BHs get unique content that's sure to be expanded eventually. It's the content that should be the payoff, not the ability to beat skilled combat professionals using their weapons of choice.
Pistol versus pistol, one on one, the skilled Bounty Hunter should die to the skilled Pistoleer.
Ossoi wrote:"If you're losing to a Novice BH who only has BH Pistols 2...then dude you suck and online games aren't for you go back to Pong"
BULLLLLLLLLLLLLSH1T kiddo. Where have you been? Eyeshot + scatter pistol = insta-anyone rape."
I refuse to believe that a Master Pistoleer is capable of losing to someone who just has BH Pistols 2.
The Pistoleer should have much greater speed, therefore allowing him to fire stoppingshot faster than the BH can fire eyeshot.
Like I said go back to Pong.
Um someone with only BH Pistol 2 has under +50 speed. A master pistoleer would beat them hands down with a good pistol and stopping shot. Of course the matter gets more complicated vs a Pistol 4 BH, but Eye shot alone is not much a problem without the full speed bonuses of the profession. You obviously have never seen a good master Pistoleer in action heh.
The professions should be split though...it's a double edged blade, BHs swipe Stopping Shot, but Pistoleers also dabble for BH speed and Eye shot (which will be fixed once it's moved), so it's not restricted to one side dabbling in the other.
Well, this one is going to be difficult because quality of weapons will vary heavily per server. I went to a reputable WS on my server, and grabbed stats of his scatter, FWG, and Scout. I'd suggest you do the same and find the values from the same vendor if you disagree.
He's got a scatter of 110-180/2.2/66 DPS, an FWG of 53-202/2.1/60 DPS, and a Scout of 72-142/1.7/63 DPS.
Assuming that the Pistoleer doesn't have Master Marksman, they both have 1000 HAM, and no bleeds, the BH Pistol 2 (+50 speed) would need About 13.5 seconds to wear down the Pistoleer's mind bar. The MP (+74 speed) with the FWG would need about 16.6 seconds to get a Health kill using Stopping Shot (bad choice) or 10 seconds using BS2 (good choice). Things get better using the scout, where he could get it down to 9.6 seconds.
Here is the killer - if the BH Pistol 2 heals even once, he's won. He has plenty of skill points for medic, so all it would take is one non-advanced Stim-B and he's won against the Master Pistoleer.
For reference, a BH Pistol 3 wastes the MP in about 8 seconds and a BH Pistol 4 wastes the MP in a record 5.3 seconds.