Pistoleer Archive
Thread: I'm sick of BH insulting us.
There's my point ... your scatter pistol (better than anything a Pistoleer can use) is worthless to a BH now because you don't even need those skills. You have two other lines that are even better.
Enjoy your day in the sun. I hope EVERY pistoleer reads this thread and learns from you guys, so we can use the same uber BH "whine to the Devs" strategy that works so well for the BHs. 
Not like all the whine on pistoleer boards didn't cause developers to nerf our knockdowns. Oh no, couldn't have been you guys, must have been some other class called pistoleer. Now commandos and BH got together after the last patch and stood by our agruments and got what we deserved. Go whine some more. I've said this before, and I'll say this again: you sure are feisty for a class that takes 35 skillpoints, and about 1 week to master.
Philosopher1976 wrote:
Enjoy your day in the sun. I hope EVERY pistoleer reads this thread and learns from you guys, so we can use the same uber BH "whine to the Devs" strategy that works so well for the BHs.
It's a whole lot harder to Master Pistoleer than it is to get Novice BH, and that's all you need to use an LLC that spits out more damage than a Master Pistoleer can with the best pistol.
Getting BH was ridiculously easy ... climbing up the marksman tree takes 3-4 days, max. I got trapping IVin four hours on Naboo. I didn't spend any extra time on scouting and hunting because I got those as I killed stuff. It took me weeks longer than that before I could master pistoleer ... I had to go to Endor and kill thousands of mobs to do that.
BH not only has eyeshot
Please read what i said about mind damage...I could quote it sir if you would like?
more speed plus the same accuracy as a Master Pistoleer
Well lets take a comrpehensive look at the skill mods for both classes shall we? I shall highlight and remove what each class has over the other in thier skill tree..
Bounty Hunter:
- +60 pistol accuracy+30 General accuracy over pistoleer
- +50 pistol speed+2 Speed over pistoleer
- +12 ranged defense +7 over the pistoleer (+6 of this comes from the marksmen line)
Pistoleer:
- +30 dodge +30 over what a BH has
- +30 accuracy
- +48 pistol speed
- +16 pistol aiming +16 over what a BH has
- +30 accuracy while moving +30 over what a BH has
- +20 defense vs. stun +20 over what a BH has
- +20 defense vs. blind+20 over what a BH has
- +20 defense vs. dizzy +20 over what a BH has
- +20 defense vs. posture change +20 Over what a BH has
- +20 defense vs. knockdown +20 over what a BH has
- +15 accuracy while standing +15 over what a BH has
- +13 melee defense +13 over what a BH has
- +5 ranged defense
Wow thats alot of bolds on the Pistoleer side..
So whats the problem? Alot of mods in game are broken...Understand that, and try to fix it before you call nerf helplessly...LOOK at your profession, know its strengths and its potential...As is now none of you seem to know anything about your mods or you general combat. I know exactly what I would want fixed, which would level me very nicely with ANY bh, and guess what in does not involve Nerfing BH's (save perhaps for a general mind damage fix)
As for the DX2VS scatter...This is only another broken thing in the game, that you guys as a whole have not researched and instead immidiatly began whining it was unfair.
The DX2 has two advanced componenets, unfortunatly due to the shoddy nature of "rae" resources on most servers neither of these components were crafable....While the scatter pistol on the other hand has only one advanced component, which did not require a rare metal, there for on most servers it apears to be better.
However the rare resource restrcition was removed, already I am seeing more of the intended DX2's around, They have a higher damage, lower HAM then their scatter counter parts...
Again all I can see is please for the love of god research the GAME find out whats wrong, BEFORE your cry nerf to everything....Does not any one of you actually fight to fix things?
Grunzer wrote:So what BH essentially want is there only other challenge to be BH's no one else should pose a threat to them?
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On the whole, we're very happy for the commando's.
What I personally don't like about many pistoleers, is they have screamed nerf for many other professions in the game, and have gotten it.
Uhh, you might want to fight one with a flamethrower before you say that, its...well its not pretty.
Question: I see this arguement lot..just wondering if one of you guys could field it. Some Bh's claim that they should be the ultimate combat class, reason being the amount of points required to master the class. The reasoning behind it is what's bothering me, see the same BH's proclaim that no one will play BH if they are not the best combat class because there would be no point in spending the points to get a sub-par class. My question is, IF they were hands down the best, then why would anyone else play any other combat class? I mean no matter how you spent your points you still wouldn't be as good as a BH. It goes bothways, I guess.
Another question: What nerfs did pistoleers get introduced? The only one that's comming to mind was the knockdown nerf...which did not get introduced by pistoleers. Sure there were a many pistoleer screeching for KD to get nerfed, but there was alot more tossing their hat into that ring.
Not trying to be an ass, would like to see some BH's sound off on those.
PS. I have no problems with BH's and do not want them to get nerfed. Main reason being my brother plays one I don't want to hear him piss and moan.
PPS. TWIRLIES AND HOLSTERS!!!!!
Seriously, I agree San.
I have NEVER asked for BHs to be nerfed. Why would I want to, since I am one? Go have fun, guys, and once again please go back to your own forum.
The bottom line is that pistoleer needs to be fixed. And all of us should LEARN from these guys. See how touchy they are? So irritable? So whiny? THAT is how we need to be if we're going to be fixed. No more of this rational, fair-minded crap. Otherwise the Devs will keep ignoring us.
SanTsu wrote:
Just becuase we would like to see a little equality doesnt mean we hate bounty hunters but I must tell you with the way you guys respond to this thread I can see why people are starting to hate you.
Its a non-sequitur argument. Equality in what? In combat? Does this mean Bounty Hunters should be equal to weaponsmiths in weapon crafting? And be awesome healers at the same time? Wouldn't that be equality? If you want equality you picked up the wrong title from the shelf pal.
As for the carbine skill branch...
As of today all KD's suck...Which is not a bad thing on a whole, everyone knows they sucked big time.
But as it stands now, my mark will get up and fire brack from a KD before I can get a second shot in...
That being said, let me list the three specials we get in carbine..
1.) Underhand shot: A medium damage KD move typically570 damage max for me with a damage sliced carbine (40-260 I belive), of course random pool (Much like the bulk of pistoleer specials)....
So with KD out, according to you guys this is useless correct? As alll random pool damage pretty much sucks.
Fire knock down: Again medium damage with a Fire DoT (Typically 700 max damage on this bad boy, do not forget tho I can hit as low as 100 too 
) The fire dot is nice, and causes wounds....Typically though this is not effective in PvP.
The knock down again is useless, it does however have a dizzy on it, which makes it good....But since the patch Dizzy does not work...Oh well.
If Dizzy DID work, we could keep you kneeling, however the the KD on dizzy counts against you immunity, so there is no perma knock down....All this does is allow us to run away from you, or get you down so a meelee can run to you (when you try to stand youll fall but now it wont affect your firing!)
With that said this skill is usefull, but not much better then a large damage, again its pool hit is random, and the targets are not rendered innactive, just "rooted"
Confusion shot: A nice skill I will admit ...Not game breaking though, just nice to have.
So in essence we have one skill that usefull, the other two are just now bad versions of stopping shot.
Any other conerns about BH's that does not include eye shot? I am sure I can clear them up for you all
Just becuase we would like to see a little equality doesnt mean we hate bounty hunters but I must tell you with the way you guys respond to this thread I can see why people are starting to hate you.
San if I have been rude I do apologize, my posts typically however in this thread only state facts, and I anylyze each piece of information....All I get back is "Oh please"....Tell me how should I perpetuate my stance on this subgect in a more cival and respectable manner then now?
I am not being sarcastic, I do not want to get into a flame fight with anyone, I just want to point out long standing facts.
The bottom line is that pistoleer needs to be fixed. And all of us should LEARN from these guys. See how touchy they are? So irritable? So whiny? THAT is how we need to be if we're going to be fixed. No more of this rational, fair-minded crap. Otherwise the Devs will keep ignoring us.
Tzu this is baisicly why the BH's are always on the defensive, lets anylize the insults in this post, as there is now I can dig up many of them...
See how touchy they are? So irritable? So whiny?
In essence we are all whiners, and jack asses who yell whenever we do not get our way...That however is not the case, this is nothing more then a direct insult to BH's, why would you expect them not to be testy back?
THAT is how we need to be if we're going to be fixed. No more of this rational, fair-minded crap.
So you are fair minded and obgective, while the BH's are all power gaming-loot whores correct? You keep throwing inuslts with every post philospher, as of yet, I have not even said anything to you but facts, insults are not the way things get done.
No one can be fair minded and obgractive completly about their class, but it helps to has out issues in a logical way, unfortunatly it seems all to often whenever anyone posts any facts, they are called narrow minded whiners...
I do not want any nerfs, I think the pistoleers skills should be tweeked (BS3 especially) but its hard when every other post here is...
Scatter is better nerf it!
BH's have more accuracy then us..Nerf Em!!
Eye shot is the pwn...Nerf nerf nerf!!
If you say those posts are not a daily occurence then you are mistaken, for they are...And its disheartening to everyone who reads it....
There is nerf calls on both sides though I will admit, so lets talk now...
How do you respond to all the modifiers pistoleer gets over BH? Do you agree they are broken and thats why the Pistoleer feels so underpowered?
Philosopher1976 wrote:
Sorry pal, I have Underhand shot and Fire Knockdown. Either of those, even using a CDEF carbine, are better than anything in Pistoleer. Name one pistoleer skill that is better than either of those.
How are they better with 30 second timer and insane HAM costs, than say stopping shot (which yields extreme damage)? Sure you'll knock something down for 5 seconds, then what?
Sorry pal, I have Underhand shot and Fire Knockdown. Either of those, even using a CDEF carbine, are better than anything in Pistoleer. Name one pistoleer skill that is better than either of those.
Philospher have you played today at all?
Please read my post, as I stated this is the way they work as of today...Yes I agree KD in general was overpowered before, which in turn made these shots overpowered....But now KD does not work.
So all these are is exactly
A 5 second non movment (again you can still shoot)...Baisicly its nearly the same as posture change now.
And a medium damage random pool special....Which makes them equate to a smaller damage version of stopping shot or double tap...I have both of those skills too btw . The only diffrence is one is with a carbine and one is with a pistol....
Play today if you have not, you will not wish to dable in the BH carbine tree I am almost certain....