Pistoleer Archive
Thread: What Pistoleers Really Need.
Taewyn, how is the commando class tailor made for PvP? If anything, I've always seen it as another support class - The Commandos take down the heavier targets like vehicles and defense structures while the other combat classes take care of the enemy PCs. Once penalties (Like insurance costs) are returned to dying, as well as the Revenge TEF is fixed or PvP starts to take place predominately far from cloning centers I wouldn't be surprised if the Commandos PvP effectiveness is no longer there; In group combat, (Using current FT tactics)you'll probably be able to incap, maybe even db, one enemy with the flame thrower before you find yourself under a barage of blaster fire and then dead.
Pistoleer and Carbineer should be the most common because the classes are easy to get to and very flexible. I'm not blaming the Bounty Hunters for them (The BHs)being so abundant, though the class does have its problems(Eyeshot undoubtedlybeing one of the main reasonswhy so many choose BH), it's more linked toward the fact that both Pistoleer and Carbineer have serious issues that plague them from usefullness (Especially Carbineer). The fact of the matter is, as of now because of these problems the bounty hunter is probably the most common soldier in the GCW, and that just seems bizarre to me.
Taewyn wrote:
bh only gets eyeshot which incaps in one hit
Ignorance is not helped by more ignorance...
If you can not kill a BH who spams eye shot, then sir I pity you, for no amount of tweaking will make you good in PvP...
i have 1k mind to help combat eye shot, a composite helmet, and 1-1-4-2 pistoleer, and i get raped my bh's, know why? they can heal the damage i do to them, i can not heal the damage they do to me.
to quote yourself. "ignorance is not helped by more ignorance..."
Even rifleman get raped because each time we mind shot them we do 120 mind dmg to ourselves if we use HS3... Im all for giveing BHs blind and eye shot but there needs to be more downisde to it, easy way is to adjest the HAM usage of the special so it uses more mind so it follows the rifleman usage of mind to do mind dmg...
BAH im totally with you pistoliers here you NEED something unque to make people want to be your class...
pfft, what do ya know a bh, what a surprise. Yes, i know its terribly unfair for us to get a somewhat decent attack, when you the poor bh only gets eyeshot which incaps in one hit. Oh, and its so sad that you only have to move up 2 boxes in the pistol line of bh to get it. What a joke, we don't have any decent attacks, is it so wrong for us to want to have something worth playing this game for.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH
- Eyeshot in Bounty Pistol Spec II will NEVER incap in one hit.
- "only second box" True, but SECOND BOX AFTER MASTERING TWO PROFESSIONS!
- "we don't have decent attacks" Sure, Ok. I am an Expert Bounty Hunter and got owned by a Pistoleer who just got Stopping Shot. I was wearing a full suit of composite armor.
- Get your **edit** straight, stupid gun-twirling pistoleers.
Everyone calm down, including you Tocin.
I have the BH pistol line and I'm a Master Pistoleer, so I know all the specials well.
Tocin, you're right that Eyeshot doesn't incap in one hit. It's usually 3-5 or so. You're also right that BH takes a lot of skill points to get. (Although it is fairly easy to get the Scout/Marksman skills, it does eat up points.)
The real issue is that there isn't a darn thing in the whole Pistoleer tree that is worth the skill points. Anyone who wants to use a pistol would be better off getting Novice Pistoleer and then trying another profession instead. So something has to be done to fix all the broken specials and abilities in Pistoleer, that's all.
I don't think anyone disagrees with that. So just calm down.
I have a question. Thewayi'm hearing this whole thing being fixed is to make mind heal-able, and to give pistoleer's some sort of special ability, right? WHAT THE **edit** IS THE BIG DEAL WITH THIS. Making mind heal-able will not hurt anyone sufficiently, will it? It will make BHs less cheap, would it not? A single (more would be nice 
) special shot for pistoleer would be a big problem for who?.... except of course the winy BH people who like being gods..... In my opinion we just need to fix it and stop acting STUPID!
Lost Novice Pistoleer
Ipino Rhoo'lya
Well, you know that move that Han Solo used on stormtroopers in the movies? The one that just killed them instantly.
Ya! We should get that one.
tocin wrote:
pfft, what do ya know a bh, what a surprise. Yes, i know its terribly unfair for us to get a somewhat decent attack, when you the poor bh only gets eyeshot which incaps in one hit. Oh, and its so sad that you only have to move up 2 boxes in the pistol line of bh to get it. What a joke, we don't have any decent attacks, is it so wrong for us to want to have something worth playing this game for.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH
- Eyeshot in Bounty Pistol Spec II will NEVER incap in one hit.
- "only second box" True, but SECOND BOX AFTER MASTERING TWO PROFESSIONS!
- "we don't have decent attacks" Sure, Ok. I am an Expert Bounty Hunter and got owned by a Pistoleer who just got Stopping Shot. I was wearing a full suit of composite armor.
- Get your **edit** straight, stupid gun-twirling pistoleers.
now thats funny... like its so hard to get master scout, or master marksman. Annoying yes, hard no. I already said maybe it wasn't one shot, but in either case i was down almost instantly in the beginning of the duel. Try reading the whole thread b4 talking nonsense first.
pistoleers need a new style line ... non special attack is realy woth it .... sure health shoot 1&2 are nice ... body 2 and 3 ( imo 3 is not brocken o.O ) ... but disarm shot is ....
I'm a master smuggler and i only use the DF styles ... there i got 1 random ham high dmg shot , a range KD and a once was usefull delay AE shoot o.O ....
a pure pistoller gets a lot of random ham shots with no effect ! 
and a melee KD woho .)
( hm but i like doing pistole melee defence 1&2 against a rifelman :-b )
my pistoleer skill is atm 4 4 0 4 ... no need for that specials .. but i'll get them to be master .-b
so pistoleer need the styles fixed .... disarmshot sounds like a pure grifing shot ( if it would work as the devs said ) .... well i'll love to blow those flamthrowers to scratch .p ( i hate the flams and all the wounds .) )
oh wait ...it'll be wonderfull style for me ...
com on i'll slice ya weapon ... wanna test it now .. ok duel me ... /disarmshot spam ...
w00t ? your cun's gone ? ah well get a new one and i'll slice it for ya :-p
/tell weaponsmith yae what about that deal ?.....
hm ... also i need a holster ! .p style's everything .-)
Actually, what we need are pistols that do other damage types.
How about an electric pistol? or a cold pistol? Put them in the same cert category as the DX2, and essentially just have them be the same gun with a different damage type.
That way a pistoleer can possibly be more effective in PvE vs different creatures, and in PvP vs different armor types.
This response is to Tiku-Giammo
have 1k mind to help combat eye shot, a composite helmet, and 1-1-4-2 pistoleer, and i get raped my bh's, know why? they can heal the damage i do to them, i can not heal the damage they do to me.
You posted the above, but you failed to read my posts, for before you posted that...I posted this
lol of course anyone worth their beans in PvP knows the only thing thats even a half truth up there is eye shot, simply because healing mind is broken, which is because of an earlier medic nerf
One sure way to prevent ignorance, is to at least read the entire post's of the person you are quoting from.....
So I stick to my line
"ignorance is not helped by more ignorance..."
Also, again, if you want to kill a BH spamming eye shot.....
1.) Wear only a helmet, have it effective sliced...Should be around 50% resists...
2.) Use a carbine....Aim for the legs...
3.) Laugh as they 100 damage to your 1k damage mind pool, while you destroy thier action pool, at the same time they are sucking thier action pool down like there is no tommorow eye shoting you
I am not saying that it is fair, all I am saying is that I did acknowledge the fact that mind is currently broken, and if you wish to respond to me, you should at least have read my post sir...
Taewyn, how is the commando class tailor made for PvP? If anything, I've always seen it as another support class - The Commandos take down the heavier targets like vehicles and defense structures while the other combat classes take care of the enemy PCs.
Why do you see it like that?
A commando by his very nature is a battlefield class, they are supposed to dominate on the battlefield...
In fact the flame thrower is an anti personal weapon It is not supposed to be an anti vehicle weapon (I know thats what its being used for 
)
The title above you head is "Gun fighter", it is not soldier, I have always pictured the pistoleers as the "Han solo's" , or "Doc Holidays" of SWG....Low ap...High accruacy, Low damage, easy use...The weapon of choice in cities, cantinas, gun fights ect ect......They may not be extreamly effective in large battles, but they should be alot more innovative with a pistol then they are now (More diversified and special specials )
Carbineers, is what I actually veiw as the grunt soldier class....Medium range, medium difficulty weapons, usefull in many situations, High AP to combat enemy armor...ect ect A more versatile battle field weapon...(Of course this is only 30% relized )
and Riflemen is what I think of as the "support" class....
Will the trees end up like that? Its any bodies guess....But I do not veiw the Commando as a support class..