Pistoleer Archive

you should try a new method there jagen. for me i always use stopping shot over fan shot for one main reason. if you are a expert bh/pistoleer with pistol stances you are already capped for speed meaning you will shoot fan shot the same speed as stopping shot or eyeshot or torso shot. stopping shot is by far the strongest of those shots and yes it does hit random ham pools but it deals at least 1.5x damage of the other shots. so fan shot is basically worthless just a weaker form of stopping.i kill people with anywhere between 2-5 shots with stopping shot. thats roughly 2-5 seconds before incap. as for smuggler/bh/pistoleer combo i do agree with u partially because now that panic shot works, and the always effective ranged kd easily complement a bh. But pistoleer also has many defensive mods to bring the player more all around effectiveness. also goin the smuggler route leaves almost no skill poins probably not even enough to get novice medic which is a must unless your only form of pvp is engaging in duels.

what lookatme said ^^

Because I plan on one day pistoleer being fixed, so I stockpile xp/customize my template to easiest way to rebuild. If they fix it, I'll be instantly 0/0/4/4 and 100k into whatever other box I want. And as for healing myself? Well, I love chefs

Dinian,

I agree, once they fix pistoleer specials it might be on more even terms, which is nice. I don't care if it's exactly equal (impossible), but at least close would be nice.

Right now pistoleer is speed/accuracy/marksman specials, vs BH which is working specials (and good ones to boot).

Once pistoleers get MTPS, DA1/DA2, some tweaks to other specials, we will be in much better shape for a comparison.

>I think that BH's are waaaay to powerful

A BH with 0 0 2 0 I would agree, is too powerfull. I'm not going to sit here and say that a 0 0 2 0 BH should be able to defeat a master, it would be insanely stupid to do so. Yet that is the case right now in PVP. That's really what it comes down to in the end - PVP.

>You never say Boba or Jango walking around cantinas or camping outside a factional base just >to cap anything that walks out just for laughs...its just silly.

You also never saw the Master BH's in the EU being defeated by anything but Jedi or other Master BH's. In the EU - Master Pistoleer vs. Master BH = Dead pistoleer. No question. But you see this is a game, and even in the game it could be the same way if they move Eyeshot to Master BH.

I don't know, maybe because I am one of the few who is actively working towards Master BH, but when I hear statements that it only takes 1.5 Weeks to get Master Pistoleer, and consider than it only costs 92 skill points, I just laugh when they claim they should be able to kill a Master BH, jedi, baby jesus becuase they are the quote "Master of Pistols". Please don't be offended if I don't quivver in fear.

Eyeshot should be moved to Master BH. It would grant the Master Pistoleers the power then deserve when compared to the novice BH, and make the few who make Master BH powerfull in line with the time invested/skill point spent.

But then again I still have 6k Investigation to get for Invest 3, and at 109 Max XP per kill and an average of 40 Minutes to kill the mark, thats another 36 Hours.

Then I get to work on the last 18k needed, luckily the max kill xp goes up to 135 per kill. So given the normal 40 minute time I only will need 89 hours to get that.

Heck, thats only 125 hours?

No Problem.. If I play:
8 Hours a day.... It will take me 15.65 Days!
7 Hours a day.... It will take me 17.85 Days!
6 Hours a day.... It will take me 20.83 Days!
5 Hours a day.... It will take me 25.00 Days!
4 Hours a day.... It will take me 31.25 Days!
3 Hours a day.... It will take me 41.66 Days!

That is of course on top of the time I have already invested which is close to 6+ Weeks. So you see, when I think about what I have left to make master, versus what it took the Master Pistoleer to get there, I really don't feel any empathy for you, or reason to believe that at the fraction of the time you need to reach master pistoleer and the fraction of skill points that you should be as powerfull as a Master BH.

0 0 2 0 BH's should get their asses handed to them by a Master Pistoleer. Move eyeshot to Master BH and be done with it. And no, I frankly don't see every dabbler going for Master BH because it is such a time investment. Just my thoughts.

I'm not sure if the whole pistoleer community feels like this, but I think a majority of us don't want to be able to beat MBH's 1 on 1. A MBH has His carbine for ranged KD, eyeshot for unhealable damage/blind, and LLC so once they close in, they can 1 shot.If used all three, a master pistoleer stands no chance vs a MBH, and this is the way it should be.But a BH with just BH pistol4 vs master pistoleer... a master pistoleer should win. A BH is jack of all trades, master of none.They are NOTMasterPistoleer/Master Carbineer/Master commando . They shouldn't be superior/better in all three weapons then the father profession, but with the diversity of all the weapons, they should be able to hand any non-bh their asses. Understand now? -DP

IMO a 255 skill point template focused on PvP should have an even chance versus a master bounty hunter though.

For example, if a Master Pistol/Master Smuggler/Master TKA kills said MBH, there should be no crying from the bh community.

lookatme (And Ossoi for agreeing with him)

#1 You goofed ( I forgive you ), Fan shot has been changed, it's now and AOE version of the old fan shot. Quite a different beast than it was (yes, it wasn't a great special before). I don't think I'll be using stopping shot instead of fan shot, see?

#2 I stlil disagree that stopping shot is a "big gain" for a BH who dabbles in pistoleer. Sure it's 5x, but it's random. On average torso shot is faster at taking someone down, so yeah, stopping shot isn't a great improvement. It's not, it isn't, it never will be. It's neat, yeah, it's fun maybe, but it's not a huge power gain. That's PvE of course, PvP is eyeshot vs stopping shot, which is....funny.

#3 The template I show still enables you to get novice medic.

#4 defense is dead guys, let it rest in peace. We don't have to discuss the defense in the pistoleer line vs the effects of low blow/last ditch/panic shot in terms of pistoler "power", sorry.

5% dodge + useless state effect resistanceIMO isn't even equivalent to panic shot alone, much less all three.

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What's delay after knockdown..5 seconds?
low blow, last ditch + 50% more damage,last ditch, last ditch, last ditch, panic shot, last ditch, last ditch

are you still there? What did you squeeze in..2 shots in that time? I don't know, my money is on the smuggler template for "most powerful pistol template". As I said, they do miss out on AOE, but boy do they get some firepower. Not that it matters, there will always be template XYZ that's better at ABC. I just think that every "best pistol" template includes BH pistol4, and not master pistoleer.

Again, maybe that's OK, just pointing it out.

1 second last ditch is outrageous damage output ... but I wouldn't give up the new fanshot for it

It's that good. Well, I guess if you do small group pvp its not that great but AoE shots demolish pets andhelp the whole team out way more.

If you are PvP'ing in groups and not just dueling or whatever, I'd rather have a 2 second last ditch at master pistoleer plus all the silly state effects that everybody keeps knocking than a template which revolves around low blow and last ditch alone.

This is assuming of course that Eyeshot will move to the BH master box... otherwise well, there really is little reason not to dabble in bh pistol.

Jaegen man, you hit the nail right on the head. Every overpowered pistol template does require BH pistol line and not Master pistoleer. I was first Master pistoleer/BH 0/0/3/0/ nov medic. Then went to master pistoleer/BH 0/0/3/4. After I noticed that I'm still not the "Master" with pistols, I changed it up. Now I can't be any happier. I am the true master of pistols (BH 0/0/4/0, Pistoleer 0/0/2/3, Smuggler 0/0/4/0). Sad how It doesn't require meto master the pistoleer professionto be the master of the pistol...maybe one day "Master Pistoleer" would actually mean the master of the pistol.-DP

Buying master pistoleer should NOT guarentee aboslute victory overanyone else using a pistol.

Dilated, why not bring pistoleer down to 0001 and get novice medic?

Or if not novice medic why not pistol 0041 ? Panic Shot + Fanshot = joyful AE