Pistoleer Archive
Thread: A call to underdogs pistolers for nerfing BHs and eyeshot!
TheDocTamer wrote:
Only pvpers can see the evidence of BHs and Commandos being totally overpowered and owning everything in sight. They deserve a nerf, a lot less accuracy for heavy weapons used on players and eyeshot having high mind cost like rifleman and a higher delay when performing eyeshot.
A) PvP'ers are less than 10% of the population, and only 1% are moronic enough to attempt to pvp with out having most of their skill points intelligently spent ( pistoleer/tka? c'mon how is 1 supposed to help the other?).
B) The COST factor is determined by the WEAPON. Depending on what you use is what you loose. I have a laserrifle with a powerup that uses more ACTION than it does mind, go figure. Eyeshot hits for about 1/5 the damage of a master rifleman and its saving grace is it gets about 2-3 shots more per 1 rifleman shot. The rifleman with a good T21 still well outdamages eyeshot by quite a margin.
TheDocTamer wrote:
Only pvpers can see the evidence of BHs and Commandos being totally overpowered and owning everything in sight. They deserve a nerf, a lot less accuracy for heavy weapons used on players and eyeshot having high mind cost like rifleman and a higher delay when performing eyeshot.
No need to cry nerf, god only knows the Commandos have been through hell! And tBhs and Commandos dont own everything in sight. Ive gone toe to toe with both classes and was able to hold my own as a pistoleer. It all in how you play your pvp.
Try using something other than a cu pa and not standing bunched together lol. also might want to learn how to move since if you got smoked by a commando it means you got within16 meters of him for some stupid reason.
A BH does not outdamage a competent rifleman with a T21 for mind damage, the rifleman has +95 to speed, that puts them at the 1 second cap with their rifle and their rifle does many many times more damage per shot than the BH can ever hope for with eyeshot, particularly since the rifle is AR3 compared to a pistol being AR1.
Um, Cepto, if you had read his post he said don't nerf you, just fix us.
And you saying that BH's should be better or equal to pistoleers with pistol doesn't cheese me off, it just shows how little you know about the game.
BH's all do the same thing. /eyeshot /eyeshot /eyeshot /eyeshot /eyeshot /eyeshot /eyeshot /eyeshot
Tell me it isn't true. The reason that BH's have three weapons is because you should be able to switch long range, mid-range, and short range. A Pistoleer should be able to win against a BH at close range, while a BH should be able to beat a pistoleer at medium and long range.
The reason each professions should be equal in their own right is because if one profession is stronger than every other profession, guess what happens? Everyone goes to that profession. This is already starting. It really makes no sense to get Master Gunfighter. Why? Because anyone with the BH pistol line will be better than you. So while you say your profession should own all, guess what? Soon this will be Star Wars: Bounty Hunter. All the pistoleers I know who are serious about PvP have at least eyeshot on the BH line. Why? Because if you fight a BH this is what the combat window will show, every time, without fail:
X hits you with eyeshot for 120 points of damage
X hits you with eyeshot for 120 points of damage
X hits you with eyeshot for 120 points of damage
X hits you with eyeshot for 120 points of damage
X hits you with eyeshot for 120 points of damage
X hits you with eyeshot for 120 points of damage
X hits you with eyeshot for 120 points of damage
So, be happy with BH, because pretty soon all ranged fighters in the game will be BH, and this game will be about as fresh as a pair of old socks. There is no reasona BH should own a master gunfighter if the BH uses only pistol. You're supposed to be a killer with several weapons so that you have the advantage of adapting to any ranged fight. We are supposed to be a killer with one weapon for close range fights.
They didn't design the game so one class would be the class everyone goes to, so don't go talking about how BH SHOULD own everyone else. And as far as 'a measly 91 skill points' go, pistoleer takes a couple million points of experience to fill, while your BH pistol, carbine, or LLC line takes a fraction of that.
As always, I say don't nerf, fix. Seriously, if you have it your way there will be one ranged class everyone will want, not several to fit the style and personality of a player. Now go ahead and tell me that's how you want this game to be.
Ypiana I agree totally with what you have said here
The last few days ive had lots of fun in pvp fighting the commandos.......most of them novices and most of the time i get killed maybe 60% of the time but thats because i fight them defending Bestine my home city and commandos are much better at close range than a pistoleer is.
Theydo some terrible damaging shots to me at times for 1k to 2k of damage set me on fire the best i can throw back is about 350 points if i am lucky......Blow me up with rockets and some other weird stuff too....but its fun because they miss a lot but not enough! hahaha!
What isnt fun is to be owned buy a novice bounty hunter with a pistol with me being a master of that weapon. Simplly because he can target my mind and me being 4 times as good with that weapons cant target his mind. Ya and they have a better pistol too i might add over the DX2
When a BH pulls out his Electric gun thingie then i have a good time fighting them when he pulls out my pistol I would just assume log off 
It would help if the Bounty hunterscould whip a Master Carbineer with a carbine and whip a Master rifleman with a rifle and whip commandos with the LLC like they whip us with pistols
Then the rest of the online community would see what is going on here
You should not be able to beat a master with his/her own weapon .......period
Leva Oripa
Bacon00 wrote:
Right, and make it impossible for us Bounty Hunters to kill anything other than a Kreetle.
People are idiots... I'm sorry dude, but you have no idea how difficult it is to get the BH title. It has the highest pre-reqs in the game... all's you had to do was go up 1 tree (the easiest marksman tree), we had to master 2 professions (for a total of 8 trees + 2 master boxes).
Can't kill anything other than a Kreetle? What game are you playing, last I checked you guys where doing 12K damage PER SHOT with your IIR or whatever it's called, so shut up if your gonna be lieing from your ass.
And according to you, If I master Scout, marksman, then pistoleer, I should be able to beat you in a duel one on one right? And you believe that boxes is what determines your skill in a weapon? So that's like saying if I master scout, marksmen, Creature handler, then I should be able to take you down with a pistol because I'll have more boxes taken up then you. Here, answer this question for me, please prove to me that not ALL bounty hunters are MORON'S. If someone spends 4 hours a day, 7 days a week, doing nothing else but shooting a gun, and someone else does the same thing but only for 1 hour a day instead of 4, who do you think will be better with that gun? Now, an intelligent person, maybe not yourself, will say the person who spends 4 hours a day. Well, If you agree with me, then you will also agree with me in saying that a Pistoleer who puts in 4 million experience points (TIME) into pistol's, should be better then someone who spends 1 million experience points (TIME) into pistol. Boxes don't mean **edit**! It's the experience you get in that area that counts. BH are more powerful then pistoleer's since the beginning, but you guys where so STUPID and crying like babiesto see it. You have to be a BH in order to win, use the skills you have. example, KD a pistoleer and take him out from long range with your rifle where his accuracy suffer's the most. If he get's to close, then you switch to pistol and finish him off since you have him down below half health already, why in the hell do you think they gave you eyeshot for pistols, you **edit**ing morons! If you go up against a rifleman, you KD, run up to him and use pistol where he suffer's most in close range and you'll have the upper hand, all that time you'll be attacking him with your carbine since you'll be in middlerange during that run. But no, you guys didn't want to go through all of that. YOu wanted to be a BH but without the need to know how to play a BH. You decided you wanted to use pistol only and that's it and you should be better at it then anyone else and you cried nerf on everyone else untill everyone got nerfed. And STILL you continue to cry nerf on us...Go screw yourselves. Learn to play your class like you are suppose to. Stop talking out of your ass saying that since you have master SCOUT, you should be able to beat a pistoleer. What the HELL does Scouting have to do with combat you stupid idiots? Skill boxes doesn't mean anything, what counts is the experience used in that particular. If I master Pistoleer ONLY, and you master Rifleman ONLY, does that mean you should be able to beat me with a pistol since you have the same amount of boxes as I do, regardless of what weapon your using? For god's sake, think before you post crap will you, you shmucks are making me sick!
The probem isn't eyeshot. The problem is, that after the 75% PVP damage reduction, and no change to healing, health and action damage became pointless.
On top of that, rifleman can WAY outdamage BHs to the mind pool, you just don't see many and not many masters (who happen to be insane at mind damage).
DocTamer:
The real crux of the problem, I say again is, having an unhealable pool strikeable by a limited number of classes. That's the problem. Mind needs to be fixed.
Awhile ago there was a thread about this very same thing. Can't remember the threads title,wish I could.
A master CM came into the thread and told us that he uses mind poison exclusively. Gave his reasons,which were quite obvious. People came in telling all the whiners use a helmet, get a mind buff etc. The Cm basically said, not in these words, "Sure pal, I'll see you in the cloning center after I poison you." He only came into the thread to demonstrate how effective killing the mind pool is because of it's vulnerability because of non healing. This guy was a master CM and wanted the mind system to be changed. As we all know a CM can own anybody especially after a tef. This person said the same thing as I did, the system is borked and it is. Mind needs to be healable on the fly in battle. Plain and simple. Who get to heal it is another question. Any solution should take into account the solo pvper.
I just explained this particular problem to others on another online game and everyone who heard it said **edit** is up with that? That's terrible. That was the response I got.
It isn't about who has played the most mmorpgs. This is my first one. I have been playing game since pong and basically a life bar is a life bar. Having one of those bars unhealable and letting limited numbers of particpants damage that bar is not good for gameplay.
Doc:
If you are talking to me, I never said anything about SL healing mind damage. I said, "Who gets to heal it is another question and any solution should take into account the solo pvper."
If you were not talking to me I apologise to you 