Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Question on Range of Pistols to Pistoleers
I have a plan. Why don't you carefully test accuracy mods and find out what is messed up with rifleman accuracy? Noules has been doing some excellent work on this, see this thread:
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=pistoleer&message.id=14370
Then you could ask to get your accuracy fixed! You may find that pistoleer accuracy mods are incorrectly high, at certain ranges and with certain specials. I would be a lot less resistant to getting accuracy mods fixed, even if it turns out to be an accuracy reduction to pistols. But I don't want to be kited in PVP, andI don't want to be blown to bits by ranged NPCs before I can get close enough to land a bleed. Are you really surprised that we don't like the range cap ideas? Don't you think you could get constructive changes if you worked with other combat professions rather than against them?
For Mr. Blitzkrieg,..or whoever he thinks he is...
Let me spell out how this works
You say, "bounty hunters are pure combat".
Let's make that valid then. If you are truly pure combat, you don't need your scout skills. You also do not need skills to track targets. I work on missions with many bounty hunters. Why does a pure combat class need to pitch a tent and track targets. A pure combat class just kills what he sees. He does not spend time learning how to find targets.
Bounty hunters are about tracking down and elimating/capturing targets.
Pistoleers are about ending the life of the man who is attacking us. It is a pure combat class. Bounty hunter is a hybrid of tracking and fighting. That is why it is expensive.
There is nothing "pure" about BH for combat.
I can't track targets. You won't see me troll the BH boards screaming for my tracking ability. Don't come on our boards and scream about us wanting our guns to work.
May the force be with you...at least that way something will be.
The reason isn't really they are overpowered (they are, no question here) or other profs are underpowered (which many are btw) but the kids playing BH. Those stupid kids don't even realise what a BH is and only grab some skills to be "da uba roxxxxxxor". Sure, game poor design (still beta phase if you ask me) and skills power error allow some combo to be just GodLike, there is no special reason to become master (but the title).
It is sad to say the truth : Pistoleers, Carbineers and Riflemen aren't BH's secondary professions, it is BH that is the secondary profession. I can't numb the Master Pistoleers / Carbineers / Riflemen with only ONE LINE in BH calling themselves BH.
Another thing that makes me laught is the "BH is a pure combat class". Ok, this is funny enought by itself BUT when you consider the one who said that was the exact same one who told us "SWG isn't a CLASS based game but SKILLS based one, so dabbling is THE way", this is becoming priceless.
Blitzgrieg, frankly...once again, you should have kept silent.
Retarded are telling crap, this is even the way we recognize them...
Don't be ridiculous, 32m would be a horrible gimp for pistoleers. How about riflemen can only fire at targets 32m-64m. Hows that sound to you?
Sadly, that sounds an awful lot like my prime waste of time: SWG. At 32 meters, I'm one happy rifleman if /aim can improve my toHit chance to a whopping +5% absolute. IfI don't /aim, I won't reach a positivevalue at all. At master marksman:
-my scoutblaster at 60m ( about the worst range I could have picked for that weapon ) should hit at-90%. I hit about3 times out of four with bodyshot. Not complaining here, but for -90% that seems a bit much...
-my rifle at 60m ( perfect range ) hits at +20%. I hit about3 times out offour with /aim'ed headshot. For +20% ( +50% including aim, maximum possible value ) that seems a bit off.
I get the same percentage of hits with a crappy pistol at poor range as with a good rifle at perfect range. Somehow I think something should be a little bit more balanced.
Kiting is the worst thing I've ever seen in an RPG. Run from a charging bull firing a rifle over your back ? LOL, who thought of this piece of bull ? Should be nerfed anyway.
First of all, none of you pistoleers are pure combat class, i know that most of you are dabblers yourself in pisoleer as well, as the 90 points it takes is to much combat for your char., if you think your 50 skill points towards pistoleer should make you pure combat class go ahead,
i also know that the master pistoleers dont cry as much as you little wannabees. you say your pure combat class? tell me you arent even a master marksman, i have gone through marksman and 3 lines of weapons in BH you tell me I am not more pure combat then you who have gone through pistol in marksman and half of the lines in pistoleer, i have twice as many skill points in combat as you do
Hybrid professions indicate a specialized trining in focused areas, Hybrid Professions provide a broader base of skills. Because they are COMPLICATED career paths, Hybrid professions often require some degree of Proficiency in two other related professions and may call for master titles
Bounty hunter- a mercenary who earns his living by hunting down criminals
so tell me how a BH is suppose to make a living if every joe smo pistoleer can beat him? hmm? anyone can be a pistoleer, and everyone is. hell it only takes 50 skill points and you think you should be up there with someone who has spent 220 =)
Looks like the bounty hunter village idiot is back on the pistoleer forum, would someone please contact the bounty hunter thread and have them come get him.
(just look at this user's history of posts when you click his name)
The real issue is what is the cost of becoming a Master Gunfighter?
3,675,000 pistol XP and 415,000 combat XP
Master Bounty Hunter:
1,200,000 pistol XP
So who should be better with a pistol?
Let's say Art and Bob decided to study medieval weapon skills for 1 week/month/year.
Art chooses to go with sword, flail and polearm. Three weapons that are used quite differently.
Bob sticks with just the sword for the whole time.
At the end of their studying, who is going to win a sword fight?
Yes, Bob is correct.
The moral of this story is that someone who specializes in a certain weapon should without a doubt be able to take down someone with general experience with it.
You wanna drop me with a carbine or rifle? Go right ahead. On your best pistol day, you might almost be equal to a Master.
On your best pistol day, you might almost be equal to a Master
>hr>
Even here, it is too much. At his best pistol day he would MAYBE equal a Master Pistoleer IN HIS WORST DAY.
Here it is right.
Blitzkrieg : a BH isn't a mercenary, mercenary is a kind of soldier / warrior, they are just ppl to hire for their services, they are specialised in war. Agreeing with you is assuming BH is a war specialist, which is exactly what you want to prove. If you agree what you wanna prove is real, then your demonstration is good. But we are at this point your asumption is false.
if you ask me (I know you don't, was only polite) BH is a Hunter before all (or WHY are you master scout ?)...then, he uses some tricks with different weapons to avoid problems and being able to put their victim in a state they control. Nowhere, in any game / movie / book RPG / discussion / whatever the BH is the Perfect Soldier. They even hire themselves MERCENARIES to catch their bounty.
"Casual BH" are misleading many ppl I think : BH is someone that tracks and get someone being arrested / killed. If they can do it by themselves, great...if they can't, they use help. They are trackers, NOT killers.
For sure they know how to fight but there is no reason for them to be very efficient in combat, it doesn't fit with their role.
Add to this one of their main ability is to attack when bounty is alone, the more weak and you'll understand they have no reason to be the Perfect Soldier.
Chris you obviously cant count how much weapon exp it takes to become a master BH that is all i have to say. And as soon as you start calling me names it must mean im RIGHT bahahah
Dyriel those things i wrote in that post are QUOTES from the manual, dont blame me if they made the BH a mercanary
I have said it before and i will say it again, a pistoleer is the bottom of the latter as far as weapon fighting is concerned, WHY else do we fight wars with carbines and rifles.? answer me that?
Would you guys be crying so bad if eyeshot was a carbine skill then? tell me that, and if not tell the devs to move it to carbine skill of BH so you guys will shut up,
All my remarks are because of I have had it with listening to you guys whining about what you dont have and what is broke and why you should be more powerful, well as soon as they make it so you have to put more skill points into becoming a pistoleer we will be better,
I would also like to know how many people that call me names and say how not powerful they are are master pistoleers, because master pistoleers know that they are powerfull, its you dabblers like dyriel and vgiest that have only half of their pistoleer tree filled in are complaining, and why are they complaining?
Because they want to go dance after a fight? and do you think its fair that a dancer or entertainer can be even on the same playing field as a BH? no they shouldnt be
Well now a bunch of Puff Daddy wanna be's running around with pistols beating everyone, now that would be sad especially if you were a trained mercenary, just like the manual says we are =)
So have fun being at the bottom because you will not move up in the power chain, you will only be able to beat other dancing/crying/whining/pistoleer shooting babies
At master pistoleer we WERE powerful. Then we got gimped. Now in the near future we will be powerful again, that's true.
We fight wars with carbines and rifles because they are larger bore and can fire bullets A) Faster and B) Longer range.
There is no guarantee that a gun that can fire a laser bolt will have longer range with a larger bore. It may fire more powerful bolts, but the laser itself may disipate at longer range without a more powerful Generator or Capacitor than can be carried around.