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Thread: Go take a look at the new BH report
Caelrie my god sometimes you troll but this time you have really overdone yourself.
Wepps is not the BH correspondant. These are his own views written into his own document.
You seem to take some sort of really sick pleasure creating as much hate and discontent as you possibly can by playing everyone else off on each other. I have a great job description for you in this game.
Please take over as the Emperor you would make an excellent Master of the Sith.
You really did go way overboard this time though
TROLL!
Seiv
Oh dear lord... that is incredibley sad... They seem to be taking this whole 'pistoleer vs BH' thing too far.. There are a lot of flamers that frequent the BH forums.. they even flamed out their last correspondant. It's a shame that so noble a profession has drawn to it (as well as those intent on genuine roleplaying/experiencing the role of a BH) so many people just hell bent on being the power gamers and able to defeat anyone.
It's these people that want to warp the profession more from the role of high tech investagative work with the ability to take down chargesto that of 'pwnage' by being able to kick everyone and anyone's arse in the game. I pitty the BHs that want something more akin to actual BHs in SWinstead of a Jango Fett wannabe.
What we have is a game based on a series of movies and books (extended universe) where many of the professions reflected in the game are quite honestly not portrayed. Han is a smuggler, with obvious skill but assuming he is a master pistoleer is a stretch.
Bounty Hunters are portrayed in the movies as in my opinion the most feared and deadly force out there second only to a Jedi. In the EU it is refreshing to see that bounty hunters are often portrayed in lesser light, and often are killed. Boba Fett is obviously a Master BH, and is portrayed as such in the movie and the EU. I don't think anyone, of any class would argue that Fett is essentially unbeatable by any class but Jedi.
And herein lies the problem.
Every person who dreams of being a bounty hunter in SWG has visions of being Boba Fett. You can say you don't but I don't believe you. So when they reach the level of Master BH, they expect to be as powerfull as Boba Fett. It's easy to see why when you look at the movies and the EU books.
This is not easily translated into the game. We have a player system built upon skill points. By using your points in a 100% combat capacity it is very easy to tailor a character that IS, not might be, but IS more powerfull than a Master BH.
Do I for one think that a Master Pistoleer should be more powerfull than a Master BH, absolutely not. Master BH's are a collection of skills and experience. Those skills should be greater than the single mastery of the pistol. In the game that distance is actually quite close.
The advantage that Pistollers, or any other combat class really is that he/she can easily compliment their mastery of the single weapon to add another Mastery or two. The skill points are available for use, why not use them right?
The Master BH has less robust options (another topic that has been beaten into the earth). But let's talk a little but about the title of Master BH. How many people are really going to obtain this? I would say few, if none. The lynchpin is the BH Investigation line, which is horribly bugged, and gives insanely low exp per kill. A very real estimate is 300 hours to get Investigation 4. How many people really will invest that time and money and deal with getting bugged white marks over and over again. Few.
That means that those who decide to dabble and not go Master BH will have significantly more skill points to augment their abilities. Those who augment really do not have a lot of ground to stand on in my opinion.
The real issue is what to do for those people who do make it to Master BH. They obviously have put a lot of time into getting there, have be in countless battles one on one with 10k+ NPC's who are difficult to kill and have used the vast majority of their skill points pursing the goal of being the best at killing other marks.
Frankly when looking at just those elites and the time needed to get there and the difficulty in killing all of those marks I really cant comprehend when a Master Pistoleer says that it's harder to become a master pistoleer.
Maybe the flaw is on the part of Sony, maybe they should have clearly made Bounty Hunter as an elite elite profession obtainable *after* making master pistoleer, etc. That would end any debate. As it is Master Marksman (obviously good) and Scout (I have never understood the viability of this, skills/traps only work against creatures).
Will there ever be an end to these sorts of debates, very doubtful. Peace.
-Archonius Rexx
Radiant BH
0-1-2-4
Anyone who has spent a good time on the BH boards knows of wepps.
He is somewhat popular but has views that many Bounty Hunters don't agree with. Some want him to be our new correspondant but many feel that would be a bad idea. The post in question is over a month old and was eaten by the forum monster ages ago so it's just an afterthought. I have no idea why it's re-surfaced.
Also Caelrie appeared on our boards a while back and has basically in my opinion been a pain in our sides. Honestly I wonder why she spends so much time on the BH boards since she's so negative and doesn't seem to like us very much and starts trolling threads on other professions boards that are not going to be constructive, not meant to be constructive and will only feed the "I HATE BOUNTY HUNTERS" mentality that so many people have. This thread is a perfect example.
Yeah she got Novice BH, yea happy for her. If she still hates us so much then why doesn't she stop playing one and go back to her master heavy swordsman character on another server.
There are many Bounty Hunters who worked hard to get Bounty Hunter who are grinding out investigation missions, have no desire to spam eye shot in PvP don't even wear bounty hunter tags and don't go around dueling yelling "I PWN YOU N00B" and honestly just want to be left alone.
I personally am here to offer a well thought out opinion and discuss that opinion with others who are adult enough to do so. The fact that 90% of the pistoleer and BH readers cannot seem to do this is sad but ultimately not enough to make me want to stop talking about the issues that matter to me.
Pistoleers and BH have a marriage that I doubt will be ended any time soon. That marriage is called the pistol. It has and will continue to spark debate.
>That he's your former correspondants hand picked successor apparently makes it even funnier.
The former correspondant's opinion as to who should be the replacement hold no more weight than any other BH, hell of any station member even, who chooses to offer an opinion. Any special clout he may have had ended when he quit.
MagusZDark wrote:
What does this have to do with anything assoicated with Pistoleer? Stop infringing on their reports. (Will the BH- Pistoleer hate ever cease to be?)
What does it have to do with pistoleer? Did you miss the part where he thinks bounty hunters should be better than pistoleers at abilties currently unique to pistoleers?
I'm sick of this Pistoleer/BH neverending war...yes, the battle rages on and we are its victim for now but keep in mind our problems aren't from BH powers, they are from our broken skills.
For sure most of us, not to say all of us would be disappointed if BH got this ability working (which isn't our case) but for the moment, they don't.
Let's focus on our own problems...
this is worthless.. they are never going to add abilities like this to the LLC line.
that line is pretty much cut and dry.. just like the flamethrower and HAR.
they exist to do damage, not to make you dizzy, damage weapons, knock you down or nothin like that.. that's why they are such heavy hitting weapons.
there is nothing anyone will ever say to the devs to change that 
the bounty hunters may as well have posted "why not add a knockdown, dizzy, fire damage, mind bleed, stun, paralyzation death ray attack that heals the wielder for whatever damage it does to the enemy attack to the LLC"..
it's just too far out there and not worth your time discussing
atimes wrote:
Also the fact that the majority of posts in this thread areBH's saying "most bounty hunter'sdon't agree with this",pistoleers who are just as tired of the Pistoleer/BH fighinting aswe areand Caelrie's posts eggingpistoleers to troll the original thread on the BH boards thereby insuring that it won't stop should serve to tell you something I hope.
You're not being honest.
The majority of naysayers you're talking about are objecting to the idea of being removed from PvP. The VAST majority of BHs in that thread agreed with the upgrade ideas Wepps posted.
And as for why I've drawn attention to it? I'm a bounty hunter and I feel my profession is a laughingstock because of people who believe we deserve the things Wepps posted. Getting other professions in there to state what they think about BHs being the gods of the game to the exclusion of everyone else might just educate a few BHs as to how silly these requests are and why people hate us so much.
Every day on that board I see BHs asking for things like all the tracking abilities of the ranger, all the trapping abilties of the ranger. All the heavy weapons of the commando. More melee defense than melees, etc. etc. etc.
I came to bounty hunter as a former master pistoleer, and that's given me perspective many of the playerswho've been nothing but bounty hunters lack, and prove it by saying that BHs are gimped or broken, when in fact it's the most powerful profession in the game, bar none.
Caelrie this is long be warned.
I'm not talking about wepps post Caelrie. I'm talking about THIS thread on THIS board. Most posts on THIS thread on THIS board are mainly one of three things.
1. Bounty Hunters who don't agree with wepps.
2. Pistoleers tired of the fighting
3. You egging pistoleers to go and troll the post on the BH boards.
YOU are wrong in your assesment of Bounty Hunters.
We don't want to track as well as Rangers, some of us wonder why rangers got the ability to track humanoids when that is our speciality. The answer is simple rangers track general mobs. We track specific humanoids based on DNA. Most Bounty Hunters agree we don't track Rodians we track the one specfic Rodian who has a bounty on his head. We don't want to track as well as rangers.
We don't want to trap as well as Rangers. We want traps that work on humanoids since we had to gain the title of master scout and it makes sense given our profession. Since ranger and BH are the only two classes that build on Master Scout why shouldn't it make sense that we get a trap or two that is humanoid mob specific. Did we not have to throw a ton of traps as part of our pre-reqs. We don't want to trap as well as rangers we just want to be able to use that skill in our job as bounty hunters. Right now we can't because no traps affect humanoids which is all we hunt.
We don't want to be as good as commandos. We have a kindred spirit with them because they were broke for so long just like we were with the LLC. We are happy with our LLC and are perfectly content to let Heavy Weapons remain the realm of the commando. Wepps thinks we do but there are many who don't feel that way.
We don't want more melee defenses than melee classes. As it stands now we get none. Some bounty hunters want some defenses but if we do we should probably expect a trade off in speed and accuracy for the sake of balance.
As I've said before you are taking a single post by single bounty hunter and running it into the ground. Yes many people said "good job wepps" to his original post. It has SOME valid points. However once we sit back after we've hit submit and think for a second it's like "naa I don't agree with many of those". That's the case with me but it's too late I've already hit submit. Remember nearly nobounty hunter wants to be removed from the GCW which he feels we should be. The MAJORITY of us don't see eye to eye with wepps although he has some valid points yet you keep taking his word as doctrine and coming to other professions boards and say "hey everyone look what all the bounty hunter want". For every reply to that post there were probably a ton of bounty hunters who didn't bother since THEY DIDN'T AGREE. Why don't you post these posts in the swordsman forums, or the scout forums or the marksman forums (since you are a master in all those as well)? Why do this in the one forum where we are hated the most? Don't give me this bunk about "other's should see what we are doing and contribute". If they wanna see so bad they can just come to our forums and bash us like every other troll does.
I have yet to see you mention Lowca's very well written rebuttal to Wepps posts and the number of bounty hunters who agree with him. Oh and by the way Lowca does not feel we should be the gods of the game and he is a MASTER Bounty Hunter (remember the skill title exploit has been fixed).
There are SO MANY bounty hunters who don't feel we should ub3r pwnage gods of all things SWG. Open your eyes and LOOK. I barely see any of the posts that you mention and when they do crop up they either get shot down by Bounty Hunters with abrain or eaten by the forum monster within a day.
All I see is you constantly bad mouthing bounty hunters how it's so easy to be one, how it's so easy to get the pre-reqs, how you think we all want to be gods, and how stupid we all are. Yes there are the usual "we are bounty hunters we should roxorz"but are they the majority? I doubt it. There are plenty of mature bounty hunters out there who do more than spam eyeshot in PvP and flaunt a Novice BH title.
Are you having fun hunting marks? I would honestly like to see how you are soloing against those and if you use pets, armor or buffs. If you use none of these and just stand there and blast away without serious bleeding and kiting then you are better player than I am, more power to you.
Bottom Line: Marks are tough. Easy one's have 6K HAM and tough ones have 10K HAM. Yes the devs lowered difficulty. Pre patch my average mark was 10K HAM and would hit me for 300-400 pts of damage every few seconds. Now they are 8K HAM and hit me for 200-300 every few seconds.
If I am built to take down a 10K HAM mob with resists tomost damage types with an armor rating of light and an armor piercing ability of light who does massive ranged AND melee damage (regular players either do heavy ranged or heavy melee damage NOT both. Marks do) on a regular basis then of COURSE I'm going to beeffective vs a 1K HAM player (who usually has no armor or buffs) with a tiny mind pool even with a 75% damage reduction.
Notice I said effective NOT god like. I've seen plenty of posts from bounty hunters who get pwned in PvP.