Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Pistoleer can't use pistols ?
You would have to be a bonified moron to belive that a Lightsaber and a metal sword would actually be used in the same style.... If you have everused anything in your life like a sword... a stick, a broomhandle, a real sword, anything... you would know that when you swing it there is a weight factor that helps carry the weapon along... and prohibits certain movements... So based on weight and length... you will have different effects.... Now a lightsaber is the exact opposite of any sword.... all the weight is in the handle... take a pencil and try and weild it like a sword, now add in a beam containment field and a heated blade that if you happen to swing wrong will easily cut you in half... it would feel awkward and totally different than any sword... so a completely different type of weapon... Lightsabers are special cases... A scatter pistol on the other hand is just a pistol that shoots several shots at once... you still hold the gun the same way point it the same and pull the trigger the same, and it makes no sense that BH's got some magical training in this thing and Pistoleers are just not able to grasp the concept of hold point and shoot...
It must be a secret class when they are in pre-school....
the teacher asks, "Ok, who is going to be a bounty hunter?"
a couple kids raise their hands...
"Ok you guys will be skipping finger painting today and going to work on your scatter pistol certification"
a wanna be pistoleer raises their hand "Yes johnny?"
Johnny says, "But miss Smith, I am going to be a pistoleer... Shouldn't I learn to use this pistol too?"
Miss smith, "No, Johnny this one is too complex... it has many barrels.. and is just kinda too good for someone who will be your profession..."
Johnny, "but Miss smith... That doesn't make any sense?... I wanna use good weapons too!!!"
Miss Smith, "I don't know Johnny the Devs decided it would be this way and I can't come up with any argument that makes sense other than the many barrels thing, and I felt dirty for even saying that one.."
Johnny, "OK Miss smith... I guess we should just ask them why they decided to do somethig that made no sense..."
Well Seems Johnny has a good point... Maybe a Dev would liek to jump in at some point and actually answer this one...It would be much appreciated
You guys are arguing about pointless things. The scatter pistol is not nearly as good as the majority of other pistols out there. I used one for a while and hated it.
second of all whoever says BH's are overpowered i wish to laugh badly at you.
I have a BH on Intrepid thats master except for Investigation.
And a master Pistoleer on Corbantis.
My pistoleer is much much easier to play with. One on One i can beta to death anything no problem. All my guns and specials have low hams and i have an AoE KD. I can solo Mobs of the hardest thing in the Game and KD all of them at the same time. and i spent 223 points into BH. All most all of them
I spent 90 to master Pistoleer.
It took me about 3 weeks to hit Novice BH.
2 days to hit Novice Pistoleer.
Bh is much harder o obtain and is weaker. I dont see how they are overbalanced at all? with my pistoleer i have enough points left to master medic and CH. I can use a rancor and heal for over 1k damage with well made stim B's. ( I only need first aid 4.) and if i only get first aid 4 still have plenty of points left to go into anything else i wanted.
With Bh i can get Novice of one thing and about 3 skill blocks.
Please keep that in mind. Pistoleers are the most powerful class around right now.
Hey, Steeny... You jack your strength up to 850 and then you can use a Bowcaster... Its a very complex weapon, that you literally need a huge amount of strength to fire and set the "bolt"...
Now one would argue that if strength is an issue why don't Trandoshans use them?.... Because they HATE wookies and vice versa.... So it would be beneath them to use it, and any self respecting wookie would have to duel the offending Tranny if they saw them with one...
Now to my last point... Technically... the Bowcaster is a crossbow... not a rifle... Its the same argument as the launcher pistol... launcher pistol is a sort of grenade launching pistol... sort of... so different than a pistol... A Bowcaster is a crossbow... it fires charged projectiles... and would knock a human on his ass... So not the same as using a weap0on that has no kick because it fires heat, or energy, or anything not exactly solid....
Now the Scatter Pistol.... is simply put a pistol with many barrels... it has no kick, it points and shoots in the same manner as all the other pistols... so there is no reason why a pistoleer can't use one... other than BH love...
Which would be fine if their illegal weapon had some downside like law enforcement attacking you for carrying/using it in their vacinity....
To the guy that says bounty hunters aren't as strong as pistoleers is talking out his arse. My bounty hunter with a scatter destroys everything in his path. Pistoleers, carbineers, riflemen, creature handlers, commandos, other bounty hunters who don't have a clue, faction pets, everyone. When i pvp, it never lasts longer than 3-5 seconds to kill one person, master pistoleers included. Someome saw me get incapacitated in pve and sent me a tell: "So, your mortal after all."... Compared to bounty pistol 4 pistoleers are gimps, and get treated that way.
And yes, the armor piercing does work. If you look at the combat log, and the actual damage your doing, there is a significant difference when using specials. Stooping shot in combat windows usually says 1500 or so, but the dmg is closer to 2-3k Yeah, highest i've hit with stopping shot with a pistol is 3800 on a stormtrooper. My scatter is 111-220dmg, 2.2 speed; far superior to any dx2 i've ever seen or heard of. I keep a powerup on it so it's in the 290's always.
On another note, if you bother to master marksman, you'll find that pistols have the most consistant damage output in the game, Carbines and rifleshit with min dmg more than they should. If you must have a scatter, then by all means grab novice bounty hunter, bounty pistol2 or 4 and you'll never complain again, till you get nerfed.
I would tend to think that pistoleers specialize in high accuracy firearms that they could hit a single mark from range with...much like competition pistol marksmen/women etc. They're the ones who can line up a shot and always hit or they could shoot a can in the air 3 times before it hits the ground etc.
The scatter pistol, for lack of a better way to put it is a sawed off shotgun with a pistol grip(Ever seen the movie Lightning Jack and the gun he gives Cuba Gooding Jr's char?) ...granted it looks like a hair dryer, but that's the impression I get from the gun. That doesn't seem to be much in the way of something a pistoleer would use, any more than they would use a launcher pistol. Scatter pistols are for dirty work to take down someone by hitting them with a spread shot....to be honest that sounds like a weapon a pistoleer would snicker at and tell the user to get some skills.
Just an FYI, I am currently a novice pistoleer, working on also moving into the BH pistol line.
eh...should clarify.
I'm a novice pistoleer looking to ALSO take the BH pistol line, and if I could work in any smuggler I would 
40 points just for the pistol isn't worth it. I think the issue here is less that we can't use scatter, and more that the DX2 sucks in comparison to scatter.
You've never used well-made, well-sliced versions of both. I have. I keep novice Pistoleer in my template just so I can use the DX-2. And most of the people with the 'Expert Bounty Hunter' tag that I see are using a DX-2, too.
The DX-2 does about the same DPS, with the same AR value and the same damage type.It has superior HAM costs, and, in theory, better range than the scatter.
The only good reason to use the Scatter over the DX-2 is to add color to your character. Sometimes I like shooting a giant blow-dryer at my enemies. But in a world where 1/3 of the player population appears to be bounty hunters it doesn't add much.
As for the launcher 'pistol', its a mini-rocket launcher. It's not really a 'pistol' at all.
Pistoleers should get over themselves. They have the best weapons and the most effective combat skills already.Demanding mostly cosmetic changes like access to profession-sepcific weaponry is kind of lame.
Steenky wrote:
A wookie rifleman can use a Bowcaster. It's a species restricted weapon, not a profession restricted weapon like DX2/Scatter/Launcher.
What difference does that make? The riflemen can't use all rifles! Why as a human riflemen I can't use a bowcaster, its so unfair! Its a rifle isn't it? Is it so different from a laser rifle that I couldn't possibly figure out how to fire it with all my vast amounts of knowledge in the field of rifles?!
The difference is that the bowcaster is restricted to wookies because of Star Wars Cannon. That's they way Mr. Lucas set it up, and that's the way he wants it. A wookie would probably rip someone's arms off Ifhe caught a non-wookie using one, Scatters and Launchers are SOE's creation and that's they way they want them. It's as simple as that. So long as the DX2's range mods get fixed, then there is really nothing to argue about other than whining about the fact someone else gets a toy you can't use. There are bigger issues to worry about than Pistoleers using Scatters or Launchers. As a matter of fact, judging from most of the responses in Holo's recent thread, I would not be surprised at all to see the Scatter and Launcher "removed" from the pistol definitions and given their own classifications. If that happens, then it really is a moot point.