Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Super fix for: Speed, Pistol vs Rifle accuracy issues, and the Smuggler Dirty Tricks line
Tanks, I do understand that at first sight it seems to be a terrible nerf. In fact, it is not, really not.
Most of us (on pistoleer, carbineer and even riflemen) boards are all stating the exact same thing : speed mods and accuracy mods and unbalancing the game. In fact, it makes some combo able to fire twice as fast as Masters in other professions with much more accuracy. This isn't balanced, I hope you can agree with that.
You state 92 is lower than 217, that's right. I am master Pistoleer (92) so I guess you're a Master Bounty Hunter to call this 217 thing. So, as a Master BH, you should realise you're much efficient than :
- Master Pistoleers with a Pistol
- Master Carbineer with a Carbine
- Only user of the very powerful LLC
And you're also Master Scout PLUS Master Marksman. Do you realise you're better than very specialised masters in their profession in a single pack ?
With the asked changes (no MODIFIER stackin, you're still able to get special moves, defenses, etc...only speed and accuracy mods), Master BH will still be more efficient than a Master Pistoleer with a Pistol :
- still faster and more accurate (except maybe while moving)
- still MUCH better moves
- still able to use other weapons with their respective moves
- still some skill points remaining
not to mention most of BH are only Expert BH (very cool name for pistol 4 BH) and will be still more efficient than Master Pistoleer.
What is boring with your reply is this 217 vs 92 thing. It is not only completely false (I NEVER met any Master BH, only "Experts") but it is stupid as hell, let me explain you why :
- Pistoleers often take many Scout skills but survival and sometimes trapping (which is very cool BUT doesn't work with NPC - BH and scouts should ask for it to work vs any opponent, even pvp) : 43 skill points for Scout 4 0 4 0 (I am a bit above this FYI).
- Pistoleers aren't ONLY raising the pistol tree of Marksman, most of us are also Ranged Support 4 : 14 more points.
- the toll for not being UBER with a pistol like BH is to be able to heal better. Most of pistoleers are also at least novice medic : 15 points (I'm above this)
on another hand, the "poor" BH isn't always rushing for the master BH title, they even never intended to (but they still use the 217 points argue because it is a free taunt). Novice BH is "only" 160 skill points. Pistol 4 is "only" 174 SP. This tied the score A LOT for someone that is still much better than Master Pistoleer, almost equal to Master Carbineer (yeah, Master Carbineer is almost not better than Novice), only user of LLC, can use mighty T21 for only 6 points, able to use any Scout skill.
You are using something like 20 more points to be much better. Not to mention it is much much much much faster than the Combat XP we must gain.
SO PLEASE, don't tell I'm calling for nerf when I only ask for Mods (read me well, I only deal with SPEED and ACCURACY mods) to not stack.
Commandos are hitting for way more than you (been hit for 2300 with full composite 55%, yeah it is unfait because I have no chance to survive but this guy could have miss me too, and being killed right after) and we don't have any problem with that. Why ? Because it is NOT a bug that grants them these abilities, it is designed to be like this.
The case we're dealing with is the dabblers one, exploiting a bug in some formulas to reduce 100% of the delay they normally should suffer. It means NO DELAY. You see ? It means they can take a 59 second delay weapon and fire special moves once per second...
Are you TRULLY stating here it would be a nerf to fix this ?
If it is a "nerf" then YES, I'm calling for a nerf. A,d I have much more argues than a poor "217 vs 92" that doesn't mean anything.
Have to say Tanks either you have very very poor weapons or are full of crap. I know for fact that LLC with special shot 2 kills 99% of the time with first shot against unbuffed player. As for eye shot moving to master not gonna change that much because torso shot can still do more dam faster against pistoleer than pistoleer can do to bh. And until I see changes actualy made Bh is the easiest elite profession there is when comparing time factor of exp to get and and amount of damage you are then capable of doing.
To equal the amount of expertise in the same type of weapons a non BH would have to master 3 elite combat professions. So when I hear the whine that yeh bh deserve what they get because they worked harder I say BS.! The 2 extra trees in marksman rifle and carabineer are not even comparable in time to get then one tree in elite. Nor is traps or camping in scout all four again take less time to complete than one tree of elite.
The only thing that takes more as far I am concerned to get master BH is the amount of skill points required. Otherwise it is the fastest and easiest way to gett max dam ouput in three catergorys of weapons.
But I guess then you are not capable of understanding what I am saying. The Bh I see posting write the most paranoid responses of any class outthere. The reason why is you know you have a good thing going and are afraid soe actually reads these posts and listens to our list of complaints. I must say that is the funniest thing of all LOL soe actually pay attention to common posts hehe. So just chill you level of paranoia that from the few posts of pistoleers voicing what they would like to see changed.
Cause I tell you if we did have influence with soe the entire BH profession be wiped. P
If I go for bh pistol, I will stop at pistol 2 because I'll have 99 speed mod, this allows me to fire Fanshot once per second with ANY gun. By "any", I really mean ANY, even a gun with a delay of 6 seconds (so with huge dmg output). The speed mod is a factor much more important than Eye Shot for dabblers (or they don't even know what power they have).
BH costs A LOT to get BUT is almost complete, you only miss 2 important things : pet or medic.
You can still have a Cowardly Gurreck and a Probot Droid that can tank a bit for you and get Medic OR go to CH and be able to call a GSP (one of the best pet you can find). Sure you won't be able to heal it perfectly (still able to use pet stims without any medic skill) but since your dps is much better than Pistoleer one, you'll still be able to solo things like Pubams or Voritors (surely not the best mobs around but definately not the weakest either).
So with some choices, a BH can be the best at Pistol - Carbine, the only user of LLC and even get novice rifleman for the T21 use (still a AP3 rifle usable for almost nothing).
BH is something very powerful, maybe too powerful but the most important issue is the mods that are stacking and ruining other professions because they have no chance to compete.
Fade2Nothing said:
"Have to say Tanks either you have very very poor weapons or are full of crap. I know for fact that LLC with special shot 2 kills 99% of the time with first shot against unbuffed player..."
You have to be within 16m to use specials and also, actually hit (LLC misses a lot). Same thing with commando weapons. So, it is a matter of skill and tactics, not just the weapon.
You also said:
"... And until I see changes actualy made Bh is the easiest elite profession there is when comparing time factor of exp to get and and amount of damage you are then capable of doing.
...The only thing that takes more as far I am concerned to get master BH is the amount of skill points required. Otherwise it is the fastest and easiest way to gett max dam ouput in three catergorys of weapons"
It takes, give and take a few hours, about 300+ hours of play time to finish the investigation tree alone. I can master heck of a lot of professions in that amount of time.
THAT IS THE REASON ACCORDING TO HOLOCRON BH IS THE LEAST MASTERED PROFESSION.
Part of my point alsois the skill points. Using the same amount of skill points there are a lot of other combinations that are even more powerful than a BH.
And then you added:
"But I guess then you are not capable of understanding what I am saying. The Bh I see posting write the most paranoid responses of any class outthere...
...Cause I tell you if we did have influence with soe the entire BH profession be wiped."
LOL, With comments like these asking for our profession to be wiped, skills nerfed etc., why wouldn't we respond?
You don't see BHs asking for other profession's skills to be nerfed or wiped out. I guees you just want your profession to be the "best" at the expense of others while spending the least amount of skill points, so you can be more uber than anyone else .
Look Tanks I never said you had to be a master bh to be than pistoleer or carbineer or non exisitent LLC elite. I was basing my data on just the completion of those 3 tress. As for u saying that well LLC missing alot it still owns in totalt dam output over a pistoleer.
I have done several timed tests with BH friend who btw is not master bh but has completed pistol and LLC tree. Let me tell you he does twice the dam a min I can do ,using his LLC ,then I can do as pistoleer using pistol shot. And the stats on my pistol is about the best on gorath server I seriously doubt there is more than a handful that are. Not only that I always have best power up on my gun. I am totaly owned by bh.
Also did timed test against him with him using pistol and he still did double the dam I could do. And don't get me started when doing losely timed tests killling mobs with him using torso shot. In those case's he killed 3 to 4 times faster.
If for some reason you cant get same test results with a friend of yours who is pistoleer, then I suggest you do some heavy duty weapon shopping and hope for one hell of a good slice. For the record the way I got top end guns was by spending 200k on 10 to 20 guns at a time. I then would spend more to get sliced and if I end up with one or 2 out the that is good I concider myself lucky. As for the ones with inferior slices I just give away. It does get a tad expensive doing that though, at point I had spent 500k to just get 2 guns that had max slices.
Keep the current speed formula....
The speed "cap" should be 50% of your current weapons speed...
This way Spray stick can still fire at once per second, but a sliced t21 will only fire once every 3.5 seconds....
Remember the speed skill was put in, strictly due to the very large delay mods in the game.....
Caping it at 50% of the guns base speed would end a myriad number of Balance issues, and would make weapons easier to "rebalance" across the boards.....And it would also make speed slices more effective, and actually usefull 
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