Pistoleer Archive
Thread: What Pistoleers Really Need.
look people if u wanna own people just quit complainin, drop someskills and get expert bh along with pistoleer. this game takes sacrifices to be better. you cant be everything in the game.
pand0ria 3-4-4-4 BH sunRUNNER
A. I think your spelling needs some work. That thing next to the Nine Key is a Zero, not an 'O'.
B. I think your capslock key might be malfunctioning.
C. Does it get lonely under your bridge?
Aginor....I have the Best powered up scatter in the game....
In PvP my Highest end eye shot is 300 damage....
If your mind pool is your "highest" stat...and you are a "wookie" that would put it around 1k would it not?
So unless your friend had a magic super gun, that somehow doubled even the best scatter I have ever seen...(Actually it would have do be 3.2 times better) or you have 300 mind pool (Which if you do, then you are an idiot for trying to PvP with a main pool that low)
Or you were lying....
No one incaped you in one hit.....You sir are simply not telling the truth, and only adding fuel to the fire of ignorance, which will evetually burn all the classes.
Oh and guess what? I have a carbineer+Pistoleer+Medic NO BH SKILLS......And A "almost" master BH....
I have always conistently defeated BH"s at least 70-80% of the time on my carb char.... And I have never lost to a commando....So NO you do not need "BH" skills to compete...You simply must do something you lack, which is form consitent, inteligent thoughts....
BTW.....If you have every lost to a commando, when the fight starts at 20 meters or more...Then you are deplorable in PvP, and I stand by my first statement, no amount of "balance" will ever make you good, because I will be able to kill you 100% if the time, even if all I had was a clone of you char....
I am not going to call you an "idiot" or a spoiled whining snot nosed little brat, because frankly name calling has no room here, you however may conintue, you only further everyones veiws of our class(pistoleers) being stuck up cry babies, who know nothing, but tell these grandios exagerated tales simply to try and push nerfs through to other classes......
In short, you are whats wrong with the game...Have a nice day..
I may not be the most technically versed in this game
You proved that pretty well....
Best PvP Pistol Damage Ability: Eyeshot
Best raw Damage PvPPistol Ability: TorsoShot (3.0 health + DOT)
Best singe target random HAM pistol ability: Last Ditch, >6.0x and stun
Best Pistol Crowd Control: Low Blow (Ranged Knockdown)
Best Pistol Alternative to Crowd Control: Panic Shot (adds delay to next attack)
Highest Pistol Speed: BH pistol (by1 point)
Best Overall PvP Pistol: Scatter Pistol
Best ranged pistol: Launcher pistol
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Yeah, we're real greedy suckers aren't we. I know, I know, we have so much going for us, I get that all the time (I don't).
You know, as pathetic as that is, even if we are totally fixed, we will appear on there once. "Best AOE pistol attack". Well, I think..isn't panic shot AOE? Fug, nevermind, we won't be on the list. Let's come up with a category where we can think of ourselves as "winners" instead of the losers that we seem to be.
I fully Support BS3 having a 3.0 damage mod......
I was responding to the absolutly crazy, exagerated, and hysterical comment about eye shot killing in one hit.
Ignorance will do nothing to further the pistoleers, blind ignorance will only come back to haunt us all, for when blind ignorance has destroyed all other classes, guess what? It will come and stomp on what little there is left of the pistoleer profession....
I can hear how its going to go now...
Next month.....Eye shot is to strong...Nerfed...
Two months.....Torso shot is to strong!! Nerfed....
Two and a half months......OMG pistoleers have a *5 damage mod move! And smugglers have a *6! Thats to strong, nerf em!
lol of course anyone worth their beans in PvP knows the only thing thats even a half truth up there is eye shot, simply because healing mind is broken,which is becauseof an earlier medic nerf...(Funny see how things just tend to ripple? Medic straight to BH, then its off to riflemen and TKA's 
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Pistoleers have alot of gripes, and frankly I have alot of gripes with the BH combat mods as well, I belive more should be in the master box, as well as the trees being more diversified...Having everything in one branch is just stupid, and far to easy to obtain...Why most of the pistoleer speed mods are in master, while NONE of the BH speed mods are in master I will never know 
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I also think we should lose 10-15 accuracy, and instead have some light defense mods (Like 1/2 of what pistoleers have)....Making the BH more well rounded, but not straight up better with a pistol 
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I belive more should be in the master box
To clarify that, I should say..
I think alot of the BH mods should be moved to the master box...
In my experience, a BH using eyeshot with a decent scatter pistol is way better then a master pistoleer with the best DX2.
BH's only need pistol II to get eyeshot, once they get this they might as well leave BH as it is. You've got the speed increase of +10 per level.
Pistoleers get a speed increase of +6 per level only achieved by gaining combat exp.
A BH can incap most people in pvp in 5 hits. A pistoleer is lucky with a 7 hit incap.
Pistoleers pool attack is healable. BH's isnt.
BH's require 1/4 of the pistol experience as a pistoleer and are still far better. Bounty hunters also require NO combat experience to get the best pistol speed and attacks.
Just basic comparisons that everyone knows.
Pistoleer attacks that arn't useless:
Fanshot
Maybe double tap
Health shot 2
Pistol whip I
The rest of the pistoleers attacks are useless.
BH's attacks with pistol that work too well:
Eyeshot - everyone know it works too well.
Torso shot - does burning damage as well.
Just goes to show that BH's have all the cards when it comes to pistol based PVP. Only chance a pistoleer has against a BH at only expert level is if the BH has little PVP experience, which often isn't the case.
To be honest, it doesn't take much effort to hit a macro to do /eyeshot 5 times and your opponent is incapped.
The only reason i called you names, is because your a mr. know-it-all who thinks they know everything, and its pretty obvious in the way you talk. I'm not able to establish coherent intelligent thoughts?? I stated a simple matter of fact genius, at least bring up a viable point in your argument.
Maybe my friend killed me in 2 shots, but either way it was just as fast so does it matter?? It seemed like one shot. The duel started and bam i was on the ground. No matter what you say, it happened and i have 2 other people that were there who saw it too. The main point i'm trying to make is that i was incap in a couple of seconds, and i'm sorry but to me that seems a little unfair don't you think?
I'm happy for you that your the pvp master, what you wanna cookie mr. ego??
Jaegen88 wrote:
Best singe target random HAM pistol ability: Last Ditch, >6.0x and stun
Best Pistol Crowd Control: Low Blow (Ranged Knockdown)
You aren't getting much sympathy from me here Jaegen. You just listed 2 of the 3 total redeeming features in toto for being a smuggler. I've mastered Smuggler, and I'm mastering Pistoleer right now.
Let me tell you that my combat effectiveness is far superior with pistoleer/marksman moves than when I was just a smuggler. Far far far far better.
When combined, smuggler and pistoleer is pretty tough. The question is: what's stopping you from doing it? I understand that pistoleer specials suck.
Trust me, I really do understand. But if pistoleers are in every way better than a smuggler in all things related to combat, why go smuggling? We might as well turn smuggler into a pure artisan profession, remove its 2 million pistol xp requirement and fix the Spice line.
Dinian,
I don't think Jaegen is saying that he wants to have the Smuggler moves in the Pistoleer tree, or to duplicate those moves at all.
I think Jaegen is just pointing out that there is _nothing_ worthwhile about the Pistoleer tree right now. Both of us have talked about dropping most of our Pistoleer skills and aren't doing it only because we would feel bad about surrendering all the boxes we worked hard to get. Right now there is pretty much no advantage to that whole tree, which is sad.