Pistoleer Archive
Thread: OK...we are useless.
Pistoleer's are alright
Pistoleer/smuggler/medic even better
Pistoleer/CM are great
Pistoleer/smuggler/commando scares me.
In other words a pistoleer in the right template is someone to be feared
And that quote from the SWG stratagy guide, they make every profession sound unbeatable. read the rifleman one and then go fight one.
Fixing bugs should be a bigger piriority then adding features to the friends list.
PS pistoleers need a better pistol, and fire alittle faster than any class that has a pistol tree. Before anyone flames me for "Trolling". I had pistoleer skills (still have novice pistoleer). Plus knowing whats going on in all the professions gives me a better picture of SWG, and stops me from thinking only about my profession(s)
Combat medics don't scare me since I can usually cure their poison/disease as fast and for about the same mind cost as they just spent to hit me. Sometimes their poison/disease will actually miss, as well.
Pistoleer/smugglers are decent, but last ditch is a random HAM attack and against my composite/PSG/doctor buffs, it's not that different from fan or stopping. So it's only bad when they get lucky and hit my mind too often.
Commandoes aren't too scary since their range and accuracy is rather poor. Just run around and kite them to death. The fire wounds aren't even that big a deal when I'm running around with 2500+ health and action.
LLC BH's miss far too much and their special range is too short.
So really the only thing that's a problem is eyeshot, headshots and mind bleeds that take more than one firstaid application to cure, which is far too often.
Pistoleer/smuggler/commando scares me.
You forgot Pistoleer/Smuggler/Teras Kasi. 
2 ways to break a man in half and poison/disease are ineffective.
Yea this last past was for the dogs. I only can pray that BH's get this kinda nerf soon. I just wonderign if verant wanted everyone to play a hybrid clas why even have these elite classes.
Drexial
A good combination of elite classes beats out a hybrid a good deal of the time.
You should see what a carbineer/doctor does to a bounty hunter. It's unreal. Believe it or not, skill plays a huge factor into this.
There's a carbineer/doctor that plays with me on Sunrunner. A few days ago (pre-patch) we walked into the Theed starport and went 8v2 against commandos, bounty hunters, CH, what have you. We walked out the only people alive. There was 1 incap the entire time for the two of us and I healed her up from it.
The word "massacre" can only begin to describe what the two us did.
Pistoleer doctor+48%+ comp helmet= dead BH.....
There are templates that just destroy Bounty hunters....
Again, this is a skill based game, direct tree comparisons are not possible...Only direct skill point expenditures are.
Pistoleers have some issues...BS3...Over all speed....Lack of creative specials
1.) Speed is easily fixed by making upper end speed mods from the BH NOT STACK....
2.) BS3 raise it to 3.0, or lower the delay to 1.8.......
3.) Lack of specials, make disarming shot lower your openents damage by 20% for one minute? This would be done to represent him fiddling with his weapon, or his gun being damaged.
Defenses are getting better, I have been having a very hard time blinding or KDing any pistoleers.....
To sum up...
No a pistoleer is not going to beat a bounty hunter......
A char who spent 200+ skill points however is going to own a bounty hunter, if they are any good.
Sispo wrote:
Pistoleer's are alright
Pistoleer/smuggler/medic even better
Pistoleer/CM are great
Pistoleer/smuggler/commando scares me.
In other words a pistoleer in the right template is someone to be feared
And that quote from the SWG stratagy guide, they make every profession sound unbeatable. read the rifleman one and then go fight one.
Fixing bugs should be a bigger piriority then adding features to the friends list.
PS pistoleers need a better pistol, and fire alittle faster than any class that has a pistol tree. Before anyone flames me for "Trolling". I had pistoleer skills (still have novice pistoleer). Plus knowing whats going on in all the professions gives me a better picture of SWG, and stops me from thinking only about my profession(s)
Actually you're wrong all around. I think that advancing far beyond Novice in Pistoleer is a waste of skill points. I guess you could take the speed line, but you don't even get a lot of bang for your buck with those boxes.
You mentioned several templates that you think are good. What does Pistoleer add to those templates? Master Combat Medic is scary to you in its own right. That makes sense, although any BH should be able to beat a Combat Medic easily ... it's just that the CM will poison/disease you so you end up being the real "loser" in the end while you sit in the Med Center watching your bars go down. I have no idea what Pistoleer adds to the Combat Medic. He can fire a couple of BodyShot2s at you before mindpoisoning you?
Same thing with Commando. What does Pistoleer or Smuggler add to Commando. Any BH can beat a Commando if you start far enough away and the Commando is only using a flamethrower (that's 99% of Commandos right now). At short ranges you're in trouble. What does Pistoleer add for the Commando, aside from helping him level in PvE with his Launcher PIstol? Nothing.
If you're saying that you're scared by the Pistoleer/Smuggler template, then you're either a Novice BH or not a very good player.
I'm a 0/1/4/1 BH myself, and I think it's pretty hard for us to dispute that almost every successful PvP template has to include at least some of BH. It's just that powerful. There are some other alternatives -- Master Combat Medic, Master Rifleman, Commando -- but they are worse, on average.
As for Pistoleer, it adds very little in PvP compared to other uses of skill points. Any BH can just get Novice + a speed box or two (like you did) and get all the advantages of Pistoleer. The best pistol template includes just two boxes of Pistoleer:
BH Pistol 4 + Smuggler Dirty Fighting + Novice Commando + Novice Pistoleer and two speed boxes
OR
BH Pistol 4 + Smuggler Dirty Fighting + Novice Medic + Novice Pistoleer and one speed box
So don't come on here and lecture us about being a BH. We know all about it, and we don't care much about BHs. We're just looking to fix our own profession, and having trolls on here spreading lies about how we match up against BH is just counterproductive.
Pistoleer adds hugely to my ability to lay waste with my launcher pistol
Smuggler/pistoleer/commando is something to fear.
Of course Im Master smuggler/Commando/pistoleer/TKA
I have stances 4 and marksmanship 4 So using last ditch with a launcher pistol I can do 2k or more per shot every 2 seconds. That is some serious damage. I hit for 300 every second just shotting.
I have a macro that fires lowblow then equips my flamethrower and shots flame 2 then reequips my launcher pistol. This will kill most players in 2 shots.
With panic shot fixed I can low blow then panicshot keeping you down for almost 15 seconds then I can either last ditch you to death or flame single 2. This means I win most PvP battles in less then 15 seconds with little to no damage.
none of this would be possible without my pistoleer skills. I would not hit near as often and I wouldnt fire near as fast.
P.S. I took TKA for the meditation line so I will be able to heal my own wounds stop disease, poison amd bleeds and buff myself with both spices and meditation.
Taewyn wrote:
Pistoleer doctor+48%+ comp helmet= dead BH.....
Not a fair comparison. How about Pistoleer doctor + 48% comp helmet versus BH pistol + doctor buffs + Novice Medic + 48% comp helmet. Compare apples with apples, thanks.
Taewyn wrote:
There are templates that just destroy Bounty hunters....
Very few. It's pretty hard to construct a successful 250-point combat template without including BH, at this point. I went through someof them in my last post.
Taewyn wrote:
A char who spent 200+ skill points however is going to own a bounty hunter, if they are any good.
No kidding. So anyone who spends 200+ skill points on combat will own a BH? Ok, how about a Master Pistoleer/Master Carbineer/medic/scout? That guy is going to get wasted by a BH. Or even worse, aMaster Teras Kasi Artist/Master Swordsman? I've even beaten a Teras Kasi Master at melee range using BH pistol specials. I mean, come on. Either you both really suck or you're just spreading propaganda on here. Most likely the latter.
What does Pistoleer add to those templates?
A lot of speed. A lot of accurracy. A lot cheaper than bounty hunter. I like smuggler specials. A Master pistoleer/BH has absolutely nothing on a Master Pistoleer/Smuggler. I regularly lay waste to the population of pistoleer/BH on Sunrunner.
A Pistoleer/BH has ... less than 3 seconds to kill a pistoleer/smuggler. A Pistoleer/smuggler has 15 seconds to kill any profession in the game pretty much unchallenged. Panic shot buys you 10 sec. At master pistoleer speed (or BH Pistol IV speed) this means 1 panic shot and 4 Last Ditches before your target can react. Low blow buys you another 5. If you can't kill someone in 15 seconds with a master elite profession, you're doing something very wrong.
It's certainly true that you can go BH Pistol IV/Dirty Fighting IV but it doesn't leave you a lot of room for the extra goodies.
I make a bad habit of walking up to commandos and beating the stuffing out of them. I take the flame thrower blast head on, kill them, sit down and watch all the wounds go away in about 3 minutes. If I'd gone the BH Pistol route, this wouldn't be possible.
BH Pistol is useful but it's not useful for every template. For the smuggler looking out to make the most of their skill points in a well rounded manner, BH Pistol is just not the way to go.
"In defense of the Bounty Hunter profession. With the amount of work you have to do to become a BH why the hell shouldn't they fight well?"
God that argument is getting old. By this example master armorsmith, master weaponsmith, master artisen should be the kings of pvp.
The only **combat** work that is done is master marksman to get to BH. So if you want to apply combat work for getting your skills. Then a master marksman master pistoleer should be able to go toe to toe with a BH. But they can't with eye shot. And torso shot with the wounding dot is a bit tough.
Now that said, the MAJORITY of the bhs that master pistoleers are getting "owned" by in pvp are not JUST Bhs. They also take up pistoleer skills. So they are BH + pistoleer.
Now of course you can't expect a pistoleer to take on a bh + pistoleer. They have your class and more.