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If stopping is so broke then how did I manage to do that ^^

Before you say it...

Yes I was using a scatter...but that if anything means once they fix your DX2 [ AP1, acid damage] then DX2's will be doing similar damage.

So DX2 = broke...but please dont try and claim stopping shot is broken when it evidently isnt....

The problem is that unless you have superhigh speed -- as you do, since you obviously have the BH pistol line -- StoppingShot is so slow that it's worse for you to use than the stuff you get in marksman. So for a pure Pistoleer, StoppingShot is not useful unless you're a Master with a 1.5 speed pistol.

For even lower-level folks, StoppingShot is good for one-shot killing weak stuff. But realize that for most folks, their high-end StoppingShot damage is not going to be nearly as high as yours. I have an awesome Krayt-powered, damage sliced, poweredup Scatter Pistol as well ... but most people don't, and even I don't waste its condition fighting mobs. I use a non-Krayt scatter for that.

well I am confused..

BH + Some of Pistoleer + Medic

or

Master Pistoleer + BH Pistol 4 are obviously some of the strongest combos in the game...

After all nobody goes BH Carbine 4 and Master Carbineer....so how can Pistoleers be gimped

Because the "Pistoleer" part of those combos doesn't add much to either equation.

Being a Master Pistoleer right now is a waste of skill points. If I didn't want to lose all that hard work, I'd surrender everything except three boxes in the speed line since I never use any of the specials in Pistoleer.

If you are into pistols, the best PvP choice is something like BH Pistol and LLC plus four boxes (Novice + 3) of Pistoleer + Medic skills. There are other good choices as well, but most of them involve BH or Commando. Master Combat Medic and Master Rifleman are each also viable choices.

Because those combinations make use of an equation imbalance which breaks all of the specials. It essentially creates a threshold where most of the Pistoleer abilities are valueless until you reach +90 pistol speed or so. At that point, the entire perspective changes. Every special, even the marksman ones, start to become unbelievable damage dealers. Suddenly that Stopping Shot, which was worse for a Master Pistoleer than Overcharge Shot 1, becomes a killer random HAM attack. Suddenly BS3, which is inferior to BS2 for the majority of people, becomes better.

What this essentially means is that Pistoleers can be lumped into two categories: Those with BH and those without. For those without, even if they are Master Pistoleers, they have nothing to bring to the table that beats the skills they learned in Marksman. For those with, the skills become valuable and get much use.

As a class that is only remotely valuable when unoriginally paired with one single other class, allowing little variation, the Pistoleer is little more than an optional prerequisite for BH and BH dabblers. All others need not apply.

I should change my sig: "As a Pistoleer, I don't want to be as good as a Commando, BH, or Smuggler. I just want to be better than a Marksman."

Well try using the LLC for PvP before you say what its good at.

With LLC 2 I would never ever consider using it in PvP.

The reason is it is just too **edit** risky, considering I have a 30/40 % miss rate with the **edit** thing AND the fire rate is so slow.

Yes its nice if I can knock you down then use LLC1, thats insta - incap.

But bear in mind my PvP approach is Knock you down with my Carbine from 50-60m...

If I want to use the LLC specials I have to run 30-40m to get within range, by which time you have probably gotten up.

So I what I do instead is run upto you and fire a torso shot for DOT then spam eyeshot , that combo is enough to win PvP 1v1.

Anyway ^^ all that is off topic somewhat..

My point really is "why are we getting all these whine threads, eg pistoleer is broken, nerf BH" etc etc

I don't think Pistoleer is broken and I don't thing BH Pistol line is overpowered.

a Pure Pistoleer vs a Pure BH Pistol IV - who is faster [who can use the most specials in the least amount of time and who should/would win]

I use the LLC in PvP all the time ... I agree that it's better in PvE but it has uses in PvP. I have a macro that switches to carbine, fires Underhand, switches to LLC, and fires LLC1. That is an awesome combo. Even if I get "out of range" with the LLC1 special I still fry the guy with high normal damage. I use EyeShot or TorsoShot more often, though, just like you. I never use any of the Pistoleer stuff.

But what does any of this have to do with Pistoleer? You say it's not broken ... ok, so what specials should a Master Pistoleer use? Right now his best bet is BodyShot2 fromMarksmanunless he is a Master using a 1.5 speed gun or better. The reality is that most of us have ended up dabbling in BH because we need useful pistol skills since nothing in Pistoleer works.

"As a class that is only remotely valuable when unoriginally paired with one single other class, allowing little variation"

But of course! thats how it should be or at least thats your advantage!

Spend some points in CH [**edit** gurrecks always run after me and incap me before I can db their owner]

Go TKA [ TKA and Pistoleer = non kitable ...great tactic is using the pistol to get within TKA range then unleashing those fists of fury]

If I master BH and and you master Pistoleer you can spend so many points in Medic and even climb to Doctor or Combat Medic..

So if we fight, get some Composite Armour, take some Muon Gold to boost your MInd protect you from eyeshot spam, buff yourself with your Doctor packs....hurl some poison at me and maybe that battle will be close....

Can someone tell me how fast a Pure BH Pistoleer is compared to a Pure Pistoleer is?

Okay man, thanks for the insights. Now go back to the Bounty Hunter forum.

I don't go to the BH forum and post "nerf BH!" on there, so don't come here and tell us how nothing in Pistoleer is broken. Give me a **edit**ing break.

As for your post about our "strength," so the only "strength" of our class is that people from other classes can get a couple of boxes and get all the advantages that a Master in the profession has? Ya, sign me up for that class. Basically it wouldn't be a class at all, just two extra boxes that other classes could take.

Well don't worry. If they don't fix Pistoleer in the next month or so, I'll be dropping all of my skills and joining you on the Bounty Hunter board. So go back there and leave us alone in the meantime.

Speed:

Bounty Hunter Pistol 4 =+80 Speed

Master Pistoleer = +74 Speed

Bounty Hunter Pistol 4 plus Novice Pistoleer = +85 Speed

Bounty Hunter Pistol 4plus 3 Boxes of Pistoleer = over +100 Speed

Novice Pistoleer +30
Pistoleer with Grips IV +54
Master Pistoleer +74
Master Pistoleer with Master Marksman +79
BH Novice +30
BH with Pistols IV +80
Master BH +80
Master BH/BH Pistol IV with Novice Pistoleer +85
Master BH/BH Pistol IV with Pistoleer Grips III +103

Ossoi,

We have the following, random Ham damage special attacks.

Fan shot

Stopping shot

Double Tap

(disarming 1..probably will be changed)

kip up shot

roll shot

dive shot

overcharge 1

Point blank single 1

Point blank single 2

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Aside from that being about the most BORING THING IVE EVER SEEN:

Out of that, stopping shot is pretty close to the bottom for DPS and if you are a PISTOLEER. I don't care too much what you're doing if you have BH pistol + pistoleer, yes, you'll be far, far better than a pistoleer, you'll also have no points left, so fine.

Anyway, the point is, stopping shot's delay is so high, that you'd be better off as a master pistoleer, using fan shot, double tap, heck, kip up shot, etc. in most every case. That's worthless to players that don't just look at big numbers and go "GAWLEE JEE I HIT HARD!!"

What about the dabbler that just wants the special attack and not the speed? Yep, they are also screwed. Well gosh darn, that sounds useless to me.

Notice What the damage and delay on last ditch is? 6.7/4.0 See how much better that is both DPS-wise AND in terms of a single big hit? So sorry, stopping shot is both useless to amaster pistoleer, non-bH dabblers, and to a mix of smuggler/ pistoleer, which means, USELESS.

Yes, if you max your speed you can fire every second, but why is that a requirement for a special attack being useful? That's BS. You can achive usefulness at all speeds if you manage the damage/delay correctly.

You know the funny thing bucko, is that fan shot is still going to be better, so why do you care if our stopping shot gets a boost if it doesnt pass up our highes random HAM shot? You shouldn't, really, waste the energy. And it STILL will be worse than last ditch...lol. Yeah, I'd say pistoleers are WELL AWARE of what they need, and ARE NOT TRYING TO ask for more raw power.