Pistoleer Archive
Thread: The Need for Some Maturity from all Players
The original point of this post was to politely request a level of calmness from all players that read this post, as I will be posting it on multiple forums.
As of this morning's update, a great many players have started calling for the nerf of Commandos and Bounty Hunters. The general update to all heavy class weapons has brought both of these classes into admitedly god like status.
It is important however that no one over react on account of this nerf. For two months the commando profession has been left virtually impotent in the line of combat. An odd quality for the supposed powerhouse of the game. Yet, no one on this board or many others ever cited the need for improvement of this class. Nor did the commandos regularly call for the nerf of other classes on account of the game's imbalance. For their class to now be upgraded, only to be met with immediate cries for nerfing on the first afternoon of the update is immature and unnecessary.
Both commandos and bounty hunters are aware that their overwhelming attacks will soon be reduced and brought back within more reasonable levels. But in the mean time, please approach this imbalance with at least a respectable level of calm.
Heavy weapons in general have been made horribly powerful after having been made horribly pathetic for two months. A balance will come around, but patience will help the inbetween time be more bearalbe.
Thank you to all who make take this general call for maturity to hearth. And to those who have already embraced this approach, thank you.
Furion Irenicus
Bounty Hunter
Goroth Server
This is a very well-written and thoughtful post. Unfortunately it's not very practical.
The reason that Commando suddenly got fixed is because they whined so bad and their correspondent got so angry that he quit. Suddenly when that happened the Devs started posting on their forum and made crazy changes to solve the "crisis."
As for BH, I'm a 0340 BH myself so I read those forums ... and they were (and are)filled with the biggest group of whiners ever. BH has some of the most powerful skills in the game but you'd never know that from reading those forums.
The reality is that to get your profession improved, you have to whine and make noise. We've already tried the nice, mature strategy. That was a complete failure for us. So now even us mature folks are going to scream until the Devs notice.
I've noticed when you say "Nerf this class". Then the class you are yelling nerf for, gets nerfed, then they get mad at the people calling nerf, and then they yell nerf at the first nerfherders.
It's a vicious circle.
I agree.
A lot of the posters in here are retards.
This game launched with broken classes and major balance issues.
It is a work in progress which we can all see from patch to patch.
Balance will come to all the classes and as we have all seen this will take some time. Probably around 2-4 months from now. ( Based on current patch rates )
Deal with it... But stop the incessant whining.
Simple.
My personal timeline is to give this game 6-8 months from launch date.
If, after that period of time, there is not a reasonable amount of fixed skills and balance I will simply leave the game. I will notcontinue paying for beta testing 6 months after a launch.
My advice. Mark yourself a walk-away date for this game. If it's fixed by then GREAT !!
If not, leave and stop paying for BS.
But stop screaming after all the patches. Your just wasting forum space.
bumped... Because all we have is new lame ass posts in here about how everything sucks.
Leave the frikin game. I defer you to my statements above.
I whole heartily agree with the origional poster, and as you can see from my post count, I do not offer up tons of posts. However, I am concerned.
Looking at the pistoleer issue rather then an balance or unbalance that was created by the patch, pistoleers were put in the cross hairs by whiners and nerfherders. That is a fact, a fact confirmed by the developers own posts claiming 'they are aware of the pistoleers overpoweredness.' Now, assuming you are a pistoleer, you know we had it good. We had an effective class with some (all be it not all) specials that made the xp grind worth it.
A lot of misinformation and whining spread primarily by BH's put us where we are today. Talk of our 4 kds' and 2000+ shots in PVP, and a host of other myths, drowned out our correspondants well researched and articulate retorts. I do not believe we are gimped, and if we were only supposed to have one kd then so be it. DA2, goodbye, that's ok. The real question is so now what?? I would like to have the faith that calm patience and working with in the correspondant system will get our questions redressed, but evidence is to the contrary. Apparently to get anything looked at, you have to bark louder, and more often then anyone else to get on the scope of things to look at.
As a late twenty something professional who enjoys this game as a way to relax, trust me I have no interest in doing this. I fear that without it however, we will be suffled continuously to the bottom of the pile while the developers chase their tail reacting to each and every protest from the forum rather then working on a detailed balancing plan. Evidence...how in hell did the god like weapons make it through the test server? Futher evidence...now that a movement is afoot by tailors screaming for decay (which I agree with btw) as their volume and frequency of postings increases, you watch to see how fast that issue is addressed.
In the SWG community b*tching = attention. Unfortunate, horribly unfortunate but a proven truth.
sorry im on my way to BH and i had to say it. I agree but it will never happen.
The greatist quote i ever read
"Sure, every population would be great if you killed off 50% of it. SWG is no different."
Ok I am going to be very honest and straight to the point. First off I am not a fair weather commando, I was kiting snorbals with my FT and waiting for them to die for weeks just to get HW xp.
Some of you have ignorantly stated that Commandos whined and our correspondent quit is why we got some attention, you couldnt be more wrong. Let me explain to you a "Hybrid" profession it is the combination of several classes to make one, now being a master of Marksman and Unarmed combat master should make a deadly fighter right? wrong, our weapons werent doing enough to destroy a crazed Durni much less two. As far as BH go, I will let them defend themselves in their own right, but saying this there is a reason BH are the most feared thing in the universe.
As far as the over powered weapons go a few points:
1) First and foremost as some of you are not using logic and instead calling us whiners and crybabies, why not look at the DPS a pistol will always 100% of the time outdamage a FT. Consider the fact that once we use the Hard hitting specials that most of you are seeing we cannot attack/heal/switch weapons for 15 seconds, thats 15 seconds of Disarm, Double Tap, Knockdown or what ever moves you guys spam at 2.0 attack speed and lower.
2) There is no nerf on FT needed, the fact of the matter is that right now the FT is setup to be considered a Melee weapon which is not right. Dont cry, we know that the damage is not right and we are actually *gasp* wanting it to get fixed.
3) Accuracy, we miss alot, period nothing else needs to be said. Out of 25 shots from a Rocket launcher we will miss 50-60% of the time unless we are masters, then we still miss 40-50%
In closing I just want to say that you guys are talking about pistol twirls and using two blasters? No two blasters wouldnt make you overpowered or anything. Some people on this board and a couple others need to visit the commado section and read the older posts. We grinded out the Combat XP, Heavy Weapon XP, and Unarmed XP with a weapon that at the most did 600 damage with a 300 damage DoT on Mobs that could 2 shot us. Do we deserve any special treatment because we spent so long as Commando/Pistoleers just so we wouldnt get laughed at? hell no we just want to be equal to everyone. Dont say we arent either, break down the DPS and average in the fix on the FT that is coming to stop it from being a melee weapon (like 1.3X or something) and I can promise you that your DPS special move or not you out damage us still. So what, now you have to use a little strategy in fighting a commando instead of the normal "ahahah theres a commando lets kill him" and charge in, because your likely to get torched. Sorry mates your not lookin at the full scope of the situation I'll say this your seeing 8k-10k damage on a target from a FT using commandoright? well your FWG5 is speed 1.5 damage (using rounded figures) and you crank out 1k damage on using a special so lets see, NOT counting the time it takes to do the special or your pluses on a master pistoleer you are going to do roughly 12000-15000 damage while we cant do anything heal/switch guns/fire a different special, those attacks can be nothing more than bodyshot2 which also specifically targets Health, while we hit random pools. Sorry, but there is a reason everyone that gets a little fix or a boost says "Uh oh the pistoleers are going to be up in arms"
hmmm stay calm? be rational? wow that would be nice except for one thing. It doesn't work! Its no secret that the Dev's listen to whining. The phrase "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" is what the Dev's listen to. Look at our correspondent? dam! with our help Jag has posted hard, sincere, valid facts about our profession, all backed by test numbers and more tests numbers. Most of our concerns were solid, did the Dev listen? yeah right...so much for beingrational and sound reasoning. I say we all act like 12 year olds and scream bloody murder!! WHINE WHINE WHINE the SOE way!
But seriously, I'd like to believe this is only temporary and the Dev's will give us back something. But I will never cry nerf...I hate that...DEV'S DO NOT NERF, BE LIKE FORD. FIXOR REPAIR DAILY 
MY KINGDOM FOR AN EDIT BUTTON!!!!111
last point, RANGE at 5m you might die 10m you still might get BBQ'ed 15m you might still get and extra crispy coating, at 16m oh **edit** YOUR OUT OF RANGE, and pistoleers are accurate at well over 40m. Notice commandos arent yelling for nerfs, that because we have been on the lowest rung on teh ladder and nobody deserves that. All I am asking for is a little courtisey, dont call us whiners or babies or bitches because thats not what we are. All we wanted was a class of warrior that could be a danger solo, or a asset on the battle field. One thing you can look forward to is the commandos being the first ones to be waisted in a battle or PVP.