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Everitt_Cage
Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:33 am
#1
If you ask me, things like this just make JTL a different game than SWG, not an expansion. Have the devs even tried to explain why your cloned body retains more BF and wounds from dying in space than it does dying on the ground? Or for that matter, whya CLONED body retains ANY wounds or BF that you get AFTER you stored your DNA at the cloning facility? Thats really a diff topic though. The real question, once again, is why the double-standard for dying on ground and in space? Whats the logical reason?(I mean, if I were reading a SW book, how would the story explain it?)
MyT_Chicken
Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:42 am
#2
When you "DIE" in space you only take 100/100/100/100
When you use your Escape Pod you get 200/200/200/200
It has to do with PVP from my understanding. Its to "prevent" people from just using the Escape pod after the first shot. But I don't really know. Actually I don't really care. Simple Solution is to "Just don't die. 
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"BTW....you aren't Cloned while in space. Which is why you spawn at the space station and not on the ground.
Message Edited by MyT_Chicken on 11-09-2004 09:44 AM
Fried_Yoda
Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:44 am
#3
just like on the ground, in order to clone without getting any wounds, you must be on the same planet that the cloning facility you've cloned at is. Space is an entirely different sector. There are no cloning facilities up there. Its just like if you cloned on Dant and died on Corellia. You will clone with wounds. Same thing in space.
As far as the wounds, dying in space is far more severe than dying on the ground. In space you dont really "clone." you spawn at the space station of that sector. You have no corpse in space, unlike ground. In space, dying is much more severe, as you are blown and disintegrated in the vacuum of space.
Everitt_Cage
Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:53 am
#4
Ok, heres the problem. You say your not cloned in space right? Well what happens when your ship is destroyed and your body incinerated? If you start back at the space station and your body and ship are intact, yet you havent cloned, then logicaly those events never happened, yet you have BF, wounds, and your ship is damaged. Theres really no sense to that.
BTW, on the topic, what is the explanation for why you have wounds at a facility you didnt store your clone data at? If you didnt store your data there, you shouldnt be able to be cloned at all. Also, if you store your clone data on Naboo, then die on Corellia, the facility on Naboo can no longer clone your DNA for what reason? As long as they recieve word you have died, why cant whatever planet you cloned on use the clone data you stored to clone you, whether you died on that planet or not?
MyT_Chicken
Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:01 am
#5
You thinking to far into it. Simple fact is there isn't a cloning station in space. There is no Logic to it...its a Game.
Logic doesn't apply ot a made up world...only Balance and Un-Balance.
Everitt_Cage
Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:06 am
#6
Well, I dont see how its unrealistic to think the space station would have a cloning facility in it, and as it is the nearest facility, you are cloned a the station(and since you cant go inside the station, you start outside it in your ship)
Cloning is the game's explanation for how you can still live after you die. The felt the need to come up with that to explain it(for some reason), so they can't simply discard that explanation for when you die in space. So if you ARE cloned in space, my original question is why would a CLONED body(not the one that actualy died) have more wounds and BF whether it is cloned in space or on a planet? Its not the body that died, only a copy of it's DNA. Honestly it shouldnt have ANY wounds, but def not more in space than on ground.
MyT_Chicken
Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:19 am
#7
Wounds don't matter in space so is it really that big a deal? And not like it matters much on the ground either, hang out in the village for 2 seconds and someone will Ninja heal & Buff you for free. Or if you wanna do it your self pick up TK 4/0/0/0 or Novice Medic.
I still don't understand what the big deal is. You die you get the same wounds as on the ground. You use your Escape Pod you get 2x more then on the ground....don't see what the problem is. Land, Sit in the cantina....goto the Med Center...and your fine.
SaleusCorwen
Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:36 am
#8
I think some may be missing the issue..
the issue, at least as i see it is..
when on the ground you can avoid wounds and BF by cloning at a facility..
in space there is no such way to avoid gaining BF and wounds upon death...
and considering how much easier it is to die in space..
Jejerod
Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:46 am
#9
Hm you should be careful withsuch arguments.
If you really insist that you are just using a clone and thus get no wounds, then please explain to me why your ship is still there (even if it is damaged). If you really want no wounds in the name of realism - say good bye to your ship every time it blows up.
You really want to buy a new ship from scratch each time you "die"?
pretty bad change, if you ask me.
the devs are nice enough to give you your ship back, costs for repairs are really low, so just accept the wounds as a trade-off.
SaleusCorwen
Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:48 am
#10
Jejerod wrote:
Hm you should be careful withsuch arguments.
If you really insist that you are just using a clone and thus get no wounds, then please explain to me why your ship is still there (even if it is damaged). If you really want no wounds in the name of realism - say good bye to your ship every time it blows up.
You really want to buy a new ship from scratch each time you "die"?
pretty bad change, if you ask me.
the devs are nice enough to give you your ship back, costs for repairs are really low, so just accept the wounds as a trade-off.
how is that any different then on the ground when you clone with all of your items?
Everitt_Cage
Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:51 am
#11
how is that any different then on the ground when you clone with all of your items?
Its not, its exactly the same. On the ground, your weapons, armor, and various other items in your inventory are whatyou use to play the ground game. You die, you still have them all. In space, your ship is the only thing you use to play the game, when you die you still have it as well. That "be careful" argument holds no water in that respect.
Jejerod
Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:53 am
#12
SaleusCorwen wrote:
how is that any different then on the ground when you clone with all of your items?
It isn't. I just tried to make a point here. If anything in SWG would be realistic, you would get a really, REALLY bad time playing it.
Trying to change a rule that places you at a disadvantage (in this case, the wounds) and arguing with realism can backfire. Remember "corpse runs"? Now, that was planned but whined away by the community. So here you have your explanation why you clone with all your items.
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