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Thread: The OFFICIAL Don't Ruin Kessel Petition
Vicotnik
Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:24 am
#66
a1davida1 wrote:
This is a thread for those of us who feel Kessel is a good thing, whether or not the master pilot mission is there. Move the damned corvette.The PvP is JTL endgame in my opinion and many others. I have heard talk of people QUITTING swg over them ruining Kessel. JTL was supposed to save swg, not ruin it. For alot of us the rush of pvp is the only thing we have left in this medicore (at best game). So sign this if you believe pvp should be kept in Kessel.
If you really want to ruin PvP that is fine, our 10%+ of people will just go play WoW or EQ2 or L2 or CoH, you know those games your supposed to be competing with for player base.
I would sign with the small requirement that both master missions are moved from Kessel first. This is no small task though, so I guess SOE just took the easy way out. If they had only listened to the beta testers none of this would ever have happened. Oh well...
By the way, isn't EQ2 completely PVP free? Can't really see any PVPers head to a game like that...
Massadonious
Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:35 am
#67
/sign
Maybe if we whine enough like they did, they'll change it back, or offer up a better solution....like a freaking PvP damage reduction!
MikeMonger1
Wed Nov 10, 2004 5:51 am
#69
Slarus wrote:
If you really want to ruin PvP that is fine, our 10%+ of people will just go play WoW or EQ2 or L2 or CoH, you know those games your supposed to be competing with for player base.
EQ II and CoH don't have PvP.
I think Kessel will return to PvP. Right now they claim it is unfair to subject people to PvP on that mission due to the fact of computer lag and a few other reasons, but they obviously couldn't fix the PvP/PvE mission fast enough so in the mean time they just suspended PvP in Kessel, give it time and it will get worked out.
Bye.
MikeMonger1
Wed Nov 10, 2004 5:54 am
#70
a1davida1 wrote:
Way to not respond to my post at all, btw get off my petition if you read the original guidelines for this posting on this thread is like adding your signature to it bud =).
Nah, it really isn't. Even on the off chance that they actually give a damn about your petitiion, they're actually going to LOOK at it and see how many are signatures, how many are discussion, and how many are out and out flames.
Putting a petition up like this is asking for flames, discussion, etc. Remember, these are the SWG FORUMS, not the SWG Petition Place.
Trexmaster
Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:03 am
#71
a1davida1 wrote:This is a thread for those of us who feel Kessel is a good thing, whether or not the master pilot mission is there. Move the damned corvette. The PvP is JTL endgame in my opinion and many others. I have heard talk of people QUITTING swg over them ruining Kessel. JTL was supposed to save swg, not ruin it. For alot of us the rush of pvp is the only thing we have left in this medicore (at best game). So sign this if you believe pvp should be kept in Kessel.If you really want to ruin PvP that is fine, our 10%+ of people will just go play WoW or EQ2 or L2 or CoH, you know those games your supposed to be competing with for player base.PS. This thread is not a place for flames, any post made here will be considered a yes signature for keeping Kessel PvP enabled. So sign up if your for saving swg. (or at least saving A TON of people from quitting) I figure it will take 500 signatures for them to take notice so lets get to it
Please stay out of WoW as I intend to play it too. I don't want you damn pvp-is-the-only-thing-I-like-in-a-game-because-it-makes-me-feel-superior players in this other game.
Juusman
Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:19 am
#72
/sign
Fix the PvP system firstand give Kessel as it currently is achance.. if it's still not working then move the mission out. Think about what are you doing instead of knee jerk reaction to a vocal minority!
fcw0404
Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:34 am
#73
Slarus, your post history is insane 
It seems all you do is argue withyour famous red debating text
Your opinion to me means about as much as a stick of pc100 ram 
Message Edited by fcw0404 on 11-10-2004 08:44 AM
Dextrix
Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:57 am
#74
/Sign
2 isnt enough, never mind one at master only...
Slarus wrote:
Your not soloing the Vette, don't lie.
I solo'd the Kessel Vette tonight. Then I got bored and went to deep space and solo'd 3 more vette's and half a dozen gunboats along with all the fighters that jumped me. After that I went to Naboo and repaired my 1/3rd front armour loss. Haha and the sheilds I had equiped were only 1100 front and back...
Call me a liar all you want...I'll prove it on Radiant.
I think your just a crappy Pilot...
\ Rua Ardan ~ Dantooine /
torgo23
Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:58 am
#75
/sign
To Be a master Pilot it should be a difficult task, and to make it that way you need to worry about Player and AI at the same time.
Keep Kessel as is, please.
Omnipotent-One
Wed Nov 10, 2004 7:08 am
#76
Slarus wrote:
The ONLY reason I play JTL is for the player vs. player dogfights... I think in order to obtain the "Master Pilot" tag, one should be able to handle any situation behind the cockpit. That includes PvP, not predictable npc ship movements.
Wow you must have been diappointed early on way before this, I mean one zone berfore Mastering to PvP in, you had problems LONG before this change happened if you only wanted PvP in a game the Devs said as far back as 2001 as being PvP by consent only.
Even though JTL is an expansion to SWG,in reality itisa totally different game. Judging from your post history, you have a very Anti-PvP attitude, which is fine, but this is star WARS, we are flying fighters for a reason, and as much as you cherish the non-human entertainment element of the game, Xwings weren't designed for meals on wheels.
I know alot of people are annoyed at the pvp durring their 30 kill mission in Kessel. The devs tried to make this expansion a teamwork MUST play... I suggestto those having a hard time completing that quest to get their guild or buddies for support. TEAMWORK! If some peeps are camping the spawn loadup in kessel, come back later.
And it still is, I find it amazing how ten minutes after TH's announcement about Kessel 5 posts of how folks are soloing in Kessel and a soloer taking an SD as well, guys you shot yourself in the foot, Kessel was PvP when you soloed this stuff so it proves PvP did nothing.
I won't speak for everyone, but on eclipse, I organized a group of 30 people for a vette run, and afterwards a lot of people told me how that was the most fun they've had in a long time in this game, because they (like me), find completing objectives with other players to be more fun than hanging out with their very intellectual and humorous speederbike. PvP did do a lot for the element of fun in Kessel. I mean god forbid if you actually have to make friends in this game and work together to get through your 30 kills. The master box was a challenge, it wasn't like the other professions when you knew that it was just a matter of time.
If PvP is limited to "Deep Space", it's gonna be the same people to kill/bekilled over and over again. That would get boring FAST.
PvP is limited to EVERY zone, just Declare Overt and every PvP loving pilot do the same and Kessel can be everywhere, you have the power!
Yeah good luck with that. How about you go overt in any space except deep space (where PvP is still rare since it's a master-only zone in this still very new expansion), and tell us how many players you find in the next 24 hours. Unless you're paying people, you'll be an exception if you find 1.
OR! You could give the Master Pilots that have earned the badge before this no pvp patch a unique badge...
...has mastered pilot the HARD WAY!
So what about the many folks in the first few days who Mastered (Read ahead your 1-3 day master statement and laughing) had no PvP challenge do they get it? What about the mission I helped with, got 2 folks their Master pilot not one PvP encounter would they get this special badge, haha. Sorry I can see giving PvPers special rewards, badges or content no one else is getting it, you represent a small fraction of the base and it just doesn't seem to make sense.
I mastered about 4 days ago, and I did the 30 kill kessel mission 4 TIMES OVER, and I actually had a laugh afterwards. It was a challenge, and I wishthere were more like it. Also, it might depend on what server you are on. On a heavily populated one like eclipse, there has been a lot of PvP springing up in kessel as of late, but people are still completing their objectives, making this change to kessel very unneccessary
I just don't want another 1-3 day done prof.
The don't play ANY MMO's cause there will be folks who master in days, there were folks in JTL that mastered in days, so PvP or not this already happened.
Padawans don't reach Knight in days, partly due to how much xp it requires, but they have to deal with bounty hunters (PvP) setting them back. Sounds similar huh? It's even worse for the Jedi since they really can't group up or their invisibility will be through the roof, not to mention there aren't many "Gank squads" in Kessel because there is no real reward for killing other players in JTL.
FiloBetto
Wed Nov 10, 2004 7:20 am
#77
What a tool!! ^^
blahblahdedah wrote:
Slarus wrote:
Haven't been around very long have ya?
Only been in JTL since day 1, and your not soloing the vette.
Ya but you obviously have no skill whatsoever if you ignorantly proclaim that its impossible when in fact it is very possible and many good pilots have done it. Grow up.