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Rebels defending their corvette from the empire is griefing?

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Barb-Wire wrote:

There is a zone available for the PVP types devoted solely to PVP go play there.

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Another ignorant PvE person point of view. PvP players are not thugs who just fight for the sake of fighting. Most of us role play and rally around a cause. The cause in this case is defending our corvette from the enemy. Now that is being taken away.

If nothing else, won't you please understand our side of the argument and what constitutes "fun" PvP.

Message Edited by Trystim on 11-10-2004 12:19 PM

Message Edited by Trystim on 11-10-2004 12:20 PM

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Trystim wrote:

"You just proved that you did not read the other threads in this post. I am a non-master neutral who, for RP reasons as smuggler, do not wish to claim either rebel or imperial. They both have cops, and they put a serious crimp on my income, thieves who steal my rightfully stolen goods.

Now tell me, genius, how do I PvP? Hmm?"

This isn't an issue with kessel, this is more of an issue of the limitations placed on neutral players for the purpose

of game balance. Are you, as a neutral, allowed to attack either overt rebels or imperials? This is just another

ploy in hopes to get the dev's to change their minds about kessel so pvp'ers can gate future master pilots.

In the ground game if a factional player gets tef'd and get's killed by another player and doesn't like it,

what do you tell him? You chose that faction and therefore accepted the risks and limitations, correct?

I'm sure that understanding that same reasoning when choosing to be neutral isn't rocket science, is it?

Message Edited by Trystim on 11-10-2004 12:19 PM

Message Edited by Trystim on 11-10-2004 12:20 PM

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Ground PvP is changing. As the smuggler revamp closes in, neutrals will have more content. JTL was proof of that. Neutrals can attack or be attacked by both sides. TH mentioned that "PvP missions" are coming, no doubt including neutrals, as it is right now.

You want to try to tie it into ground PvP? The CU will be here shortly. No more soloing. No more uber armor. No more only imps/rebs being able to PvP (I'll bet, anyway, as it has to be made this way for the smuggler revamp following the CU to work).

Now what say you?

more ignorance. it doesn't matter what people were saying last week. or even yesterday. yes, i think the master mission should force pvp. BUT

and it's an important BUT

i don't mind having the mission moved from kessel, so long as it remains a PVP area. you are totally discounting the fact that we had no idea such an extreme change was going to take place. there's nothing wrong with stating your opinion about master being rare, but again, this is not the issue here.

if i say to you, " i dont care about master pilot, i want to have a pvp zone accessable to neutrals and non masters " and you reply "bull! you want to grief potential masters!" how can i not call you a complete idiot? what needs to be said to you to make you understand MOVE THE MASTER MISSION OUT OF KESSEL SO LONG AS KESSEL REMAINS PVP? do we need to state it as inanely as you and the rest of you "griefer" zerg idiots do?

and your whole stance on neutrality is patently absurd. you are actually saying neutrals should be prevented from pvp entirely? i mean seriously could you be a bigger assh*le? it's always been said neutrals would be able to participate, now they can't before master at all. you are taking a separate issue, confusing it with this issue and trying to make removing content from players sound like a righteous move.

and declaring in any open area is stupid. it's futile, it does not promote fun pvp. the fact that you would even suggest it shows how out of touch with that aspect of the game you are, thus, why comment on it's mechanics at all?

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Trystim wrote:

"Another ignorant PvE person point of view. PvP players are not thugs who just fight for the sake of fighting. Most of us role play and rally around a cause. The cause in this case is defending our corvette from the enemy. Now that is being taken away."

No. what's ignorant is thinking that anyone is going to buy this whole pvp'er roleplaying nonsense now.

Before TH's announcement of the kessel changes, the pvper's were stating that master pilot should

be hard and therefore require pvp. They weren't talking about roleplaying or protecting 'thier corvette'

back then That's a slick coverup, but it's just not going to work this time. Across all of the servers, we as

PVE'er's have watched PVP players, gank people in cantinas, kill medical personnel, camp cloning

centers, insult other players, and now in kessel camp spawning points for the sake of gating other

players. You have been fighting like thugs for the sake of fighting this whole time all the while trying to cover it up

with some roleplay here and there. I'm not buying it and from the looks of it, neither are the devs.

Nuff said.

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so instead of accomomdating both sides, you advocate taking away content from one? how is that not griefing? seriously, i don't think you are all that different from spawn gankers. you too want to "force people into your chaos" or whatever that crap you edited in up there was.

at least i'm willing to accomodate, whereas you are stubbornly inflexible. i'd be dissapointed if the mission got moved out of kessel, sure, but at least i'm not advocating/cheering a decision to take content away from players.

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Trystim wrote:

Now what say you?

Actually there isn't much for me to say considering you have not provided a valid rebuttal for any of my

previously made points. I believe the question really is 'What say 'you'?'

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you haven't made a single point! all you've said is "you advocated making the mission forced pvp, so you deserve to loose kessel in it's entirety"

how is that a point? all you want is to take something away from someone who has a different playstyle than your own. everyone on this thread is willing to conceed the mission, you however can't even do that, you want the mission, you want kessel, people like you WILL want deep space eventually, you will want overt taken away, you WILL hound the devs to throw in the "second life" source code if you continue to get your way.

it's not in the slightest bit concillatory. that's the difference and the real issue at hand here. at least people are willing to conceed, where you demand your playstyle be accomodated at the expense of others. seriously, i never griefed in kessel. but you should have.

Message Edited by meeuki on 11-10-2004 12:45 PM

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Trystim wrote:

Now what say you?

Actually there isn't much for me to say considering you have not provided a valid rebuttal for any of my

previously made points. I believe the question really is 'What say 'you'?'

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