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Thread: What are the new changes to Kessel, and where can I find a dev post about it?
truewildman
Wed Nov 10, 2004 2:55 pm
#40
Trystim wrote:
nor did I see anything about 'Neutral' becoming it's own faction that will act and behave as the existing two factions do.
Message Edited by Trystim on 11-10-2004 01:45 PM
Trystim, please read carefully! I'm almost at a loss here. It will not "become" it's own PvP-able faction, it already is!!
Did you see that?! IT IS ALREADY IT'S OWN PVP'ABLE FACTION!!! IT IS THAT WAY RIGHT NOW.
JUST AS YOU AND I ARE TYPING THIS, NEUTRAL IS, IN GAME, RIGHT NOW, HERE AND NOW, HARD-CODED A PVP'ABLE FACTION!!!
Got it? Are we there yet? I am not "elitist" at all. I am trying to connect with you, and failing miserably for whatever reason.
The Kessel to PvE change is going to undo that, understand?
I'm not asking to add anything!! I'm asking to keep it!!!
I can't....I can't make myself any more clear here.
PLEASE SOMEONE ELSE CHIME IN HERE AND LET ME KNOW IF I'M MAKING SENSE!!!
Trystim
Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:05 pm
#41
First off asking for someone to chime in to help you isn't going to make your argument hold anymore weight.
You said you have proof of TH validating your claim and you did not. Just because there is Neutrals pvpin'g
like the other 2 factions does not mean it was intended. I'm sure the dev's did not intend on kessel becoming
ahive for grieving. Yes, Neutrals can pvp. YOU HAVE FAILED TO SHOW WHERE THEY ARE AND WERE INTENDED
TO BE A NEW FACTION FOR THE GCW. Is it possible that while in space Neutrals were given the option to pvp while
in kessel, but the devs also found that kessel was a mistake in it's current form and thus would have to work
on an alternative pvp mission option for ALL pvp'ers? That doesn't say anything about Neutrals being able to declare and
pvp as rebels and imperials do. Stop attempting to morph things to your own will...I understand this is Star Wars
Galaxies and all, but I'm pretty sure Jedi mind tricks don't work in real life. So stop waving your hand around.
Message Edited by Trystim on 11-10-2004 02:06 PM
truewildman
Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:17 pm
#43
This has reached comical levels. Trystim, just keep thinking about yourself. You found in your own cubby-hole there, you're own "happy place". You're right, this game should only cater to you, and you only. Fine.
See ya. 
Slarus
Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:21 pm
#44
good to know you have access to the true numbers and can speak for what the vast majority prefer. where would we be without your (and every other "vast majority" poster in the know) insight?
as long as we are going to just spout off generalizations, allow me to entertain mine.
PVP is not practiced by the "vast majority" in this game because it has no point, because it is obtuse, because it's prone to exploitation. not because players abhor conflict vs breathing opponents. to correct this fundamental flaw, and stimulate a true galactic civil war, from which this entire game is based, a few things need to happen. PVP needs to be made easier, and players need a subtle push off the ledge into the pool. the master mission was designed with that in mind. it was a good dynamic, and a true challenge that computer AI cannot come close to replicating. now, i agree wholeheartedly when people say that they shouldn't be prevented from advancing due to griefing at spawn points. i appreciate players who truely have no desire to pvp but want to fly the multiplayer ships.
however, that doesn't warrant their concerns immediately overruling others. what it warrants is a look at the master mission and a redesign of the certifications. it warrants a look at fixing the spawn points. it warrants a look at modifying requirements for deep space and perhaps damage reduction.
the game needs things like this to help players have fun. it needs the entire playerbase to participate so real parity can be achieved. you'll never get that if a select group of people pvp. since this is a generalization, i'm going to go ahead and say every player wants this, but doesn't even know it.
as long as we are going to just spout off generalizations, allow me to entertain mine.
PVP is not practiced by the "vast majority" in this game because it has no point, because it is obtuse, because it's prone to exploitation. not because players abhor conflict vs breathing opponents. to correct this fundamental flaw, and stimulate a true galactic civil war, from which this entire game is based, a few things need to happen. PVP needs to be made easier, and players need a subtle push off the ledge into the pool. the master mission was designed with that in mind. it was a good dynamic, and a true challenge that computer AI cannot come close to replicating. now, i agree wholeheartedly when people say that they shouldn't be prevented from advancing due to griefing at spawn points. i appreciate players who truely have no desire to pvp but want to fly the multiplayer ships.
however, that doesn't warrant their concerns immediately overruling others. what it warrants is a look at the master mission and a redesign of the certifications. it warrants a look at fixing the spawn points. it warrants a look at modifying requirements for deep space and perhaps damage reduction.
the game needs things like this to help players have fun. it needs the entire playerbase to participate so real parity can be achieved. you'll never get that if a select group of people pvp. since this is a generalization, i'm going to go ahead and say every player wants this, but doesn't even know it.
Look at the subscrubtions in PvP only, PvP/PvE games and PvE only games, the PvE stuff is much higher people flock to PvE games. I think PvP has a place and that place is optional.
truewildman
Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:23 pm
#45
Slarus wrote:
Look at the subscrubtions in PvP only, PvP/PvE games and PvE only games, the PvE stuff is much higher people flock to PvE games. I think PvP has a place and that place is optional.
Wow! I agree with you, Slarus! It should certainly be optional. Those that don't want to PvP shouldn't have to, and those that do want to PvP should be able to.
tesop
Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:26 pm
#46
truewildman wrote:
Barb-Wire wrote:
meeuki wrote:
SanRa_Ledav wrote:
Cool, glad to see the DEV's actually listen
listen to whom? you? yeah believe me, everyone who pvp's and cares about a fun GCW is real glad they listen to you too.
they could have fixed it without ruining things for other players. you don't care about that though, do you?
or wait, were you just meaning to troll?
actually no, i dont. PVP in kessel is primarily used to grief other players trying to go about their business. there is a PVP zone for legitimate fighting and you can always fly to one of the myriad stations and declare yourself overt. but since you cant run around ganking people anymore when folks are just trying to get master why should i feel a shred of pity for you. there is a zone available for the PVP types devoted solely to PVP go play there.
Neutrals cannot declare overt. Meaning they have to wait until they master, then accumulate 30k prestige just to PvP.
What about those that cannot or do not wish to master? What about them?
I believed this until i went to an Imperial Station and declared overt. I'm a CorSec Privateer and CAN declare overt with either faction.
Though i CANNOT declare while i have a mission, which makes the Kessel Master mission (corvette) difficult, but not impossible.
Also, i cannot declare at the (deep space) station (endor).
Message Edited by tesop on 11-10-2004 06:33 PM
Message Edited by tesop on 11-10-2004 06:33 PM
Cutedge
Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:32 pm
#47
tesop wrote:
I believed this until i went to an Imperial Station and declared overt. I'm a CorSec Privateer and CAN declare overt with either faction. Though i CANNOT declare while i have a mission, which makes the Kessel Master mission (corvette) difficult. Also, i cannot declare at the (deep space) station.
Neutrals can declare at faction stations?
Um, I hope this word gets out to people. This should be put in a note and stickied.
And by the way, no one can declare at a deep space station.
Rebelwarlord
Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:33 pm
#48
I agree, the change to kessel is a good one, constantly being attacked by other players as soon as I pop into the zone.
PvP is still gonna be active just only in deep space which is fine with me.
truewildman
Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:33 pm
#49
Cutedge wrote:
tesop wrote:
I believed this until i went to an Imperial Station and declared overt. I'm a CorSec Privateer and CAN declare overt with either faction. Though i CANNOT declare while i have a mission, which makes the Kessel Master mission (corvette) difficult. Also, i cannot declare at the (deep space) station.
Neutrals can declare at faction stations?
Um, I hope this word gets out to people. This should be put in a note and stickied.
And by the way, no one can declare at a deep space station.
Well, every time I try, it doesn't work. maybe because I'm smuggler's alliance and you're CorSec, I dunno. Also, I'm neutral on the ground.
truewildman
Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:10 am
#50
Trystim wrote:
"in fact, not a single solitary post deals with people specifically wanting the right to camp spawn points. so basically you are making something up, and stating it as a fact, whereas i just took a real fact, that there are no posts to back your assertions up, and made you look stupid with it. "
Pvp'ers can declare and PVP anywhere. Do you understand that. Now tell me, can a PVE'er go into deep space and
PVE without anyone being able to attack them? No. Point made.
You just proved that you did not read the other threads in this post. I am a non-master neutral who, for RP reasons as smuggler, do not wish to claim either rebel or imperial. They both have cops, and they put a serious crimp on my income, thieves who steal my rightfully stolen goods.
Now tell me, genius, how do I PvP? Hmm?
Trystim
Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:11 am
#51
"non factioned players have no open pvp zones to go to, thus are forced to choose a side, negating their neutrality"
When did the meaning of neutral change? They aren't supposed to be able to just attack either side.
That in itself 'negates' their neutrality.
Taken from dictionary.com
"# Not aligned with, supporting, or favoring either side in a war, dispute, or contest."
So I suppose in order to 'support' a side andengage the opposing side, they would have
to therefore 'choose' a side and no longer be considered 'neutral'. If they supported a
side and 'favored' that side in a war or contest, their neutrality would then be 'negated'
meaning null and void. I'm not going to gloat here but please refer back to your statement
concerningmy post making me look stupid.
Message Edited by Trystim on 11-10-2004 12:12 PM
truewildman
Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:14 am
#52
Trystim wrote:
"non factioned players have no open pvp zones to go to, thus are forced to choose a side, negating their neutrality"
When did the meaning of neutral change? They aren't supposed to be able to just attack either side.
That in itself 'negates' their neutrality.
Taken from dictionary.com
"# Not aligned with, supporting, or favoring either side in a war, dispute, or contest."
So I suppose in order to 'support' a side andengage the opposing side, they would have
to therefore 'choose' a side and no longer be considered 'neutral'. If they supported a
side and 'favored' that side in a war or contest, their neutrality would then be 'negated'
meaning null and void. I'm not going to gloat here but please refer back to your statement
concerningmy post making me look stupid.
Message Edited by Trystim on 11-10-2004 12:12 PM
If the cops come to gank my goods, I'm fighting!! I don't care who they worship, or what they're hokey religion is!!
Trystim, remember. The issue of whether or not the master mission should be in Kessel is long dead. Let it rest in peace, my friend.
The issue now is should Kessel be PvE only? Right now, I can go in and be attacked by both factions.
We smugglers have been getting the short end of the stick since SWG went live. This was actually a direction towards content for us, now it's being taken.
Message Edited by truewildman on 11-10-2004 12:16 PM