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JediForceGuy wrote:
PvP in JTL sucks. It's too quick and no strategy. First one to attack wins.

Something needs to be done about that.

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Wow this brings back flashbacks.

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monochromered wrote:

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JediForceGuy wrote:
PvP in JTL sucks. It's too quick and no strategy. First one to attack wins.

Something needs to be done about that.

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Wow this brings back flashbacks.

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If all people learned from history, there'd be no wars, right?

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RodianOutlaw wrote:

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lnflux wrote:
then how do u think the origional masters got their title? i helped 2 of my guildies get their cool helmets when they became ace. u cant go whining about losing ur ship because your miserable enough to get killed with 1 shot. i honestly dont get ppl who complain so much... the games been out for a week, and u still want changes and more content on ur diner plate? gimme a break.

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yes im sorry a Heavy blacksun fighter is really a match for a tie opressor, especially when they use their I win button (1 hit missles)... I like how I'm miserable because I got killed with one shot... have you ever pvp'ed in this game sir? because thats all it comes down to.. but being the abundent sorce of knowledge you are , you'd already now that wouldnt you?

The simple fact is there should be no forced pvp in a game like this... It may be your kinda CONTENT as you put it.... But in fact its not many others..... your inflamatory response just proves the mentaility of some of the people that play this game... and is the reason I question why I even play...

anyone that actually has a reasonable justification for forced pvp for mastery... please let me hear it....

Cos what I see is alot of people afraid they are gonna loose their ganking good times... and are afraid they may actually have to meet people in a pvp zone that are their to pvp too .....

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generalizations are fun. use some more of them. you are really making the people who like pvp come to your side now.

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Please. You've been the one making generalizations all along, with thinly veiled insults at anyone who doesn't like PvP. Fear, ineptitude, etc.

You have NO room to talk.

Falin

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GeekLordAragorn12 wrote:

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Mot-Irujam wrote:

PVP is content! (No, Missions and quests are content. Killing other people is ganking. Killing people that cant defend themselves is Griefing)

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And Killing someone to intentionally ruin their gameplay is griefing

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Which is EXACTLY what happens in Kessel. Thanks.

Falin

Message Edited by RenoVandall on 11-10-2004 01:35 AM

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lnflux wrote:
then how do u think the origional masters got their title? i helped 2 of my guildies get their cool helmets when they became ace. u cant go whining about losing ur ship because your miserable enough to get killed with 1 shot. i honestly dont get ppl who complain so much... the games been out for a week, and u still want changes and more content on ur diner plate? gimme a break.

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The original masters, myself included, did not have to contend with griefers in Kessel when we did our mission. We were the only ones there.

The second time I mastered, there were griefers in Kessel. I literally had to wait for them to go to bed before I could do my mission. I didn't think getting into PvP scraps was fun, or content. It was wasted time. The Vette only spawns once every 1.5 hours and only stays up for about 40 minutes. Other players can waste your entire night. This isn't fun, it's griefing. SoE wasn't thinking when they did this.

There should be a choice:

1. Kill the corvette

2. Grind the 7.5 million xp

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lnflux wrote:
i already said i welcome the option for u screaming ppl to pvp or not to pvp, to the bashing is useless. but i do believe from my pvp experience, its been worthwhile, i got killed numerous times, but our crew survived. ive helped with the master missions twice now, and its been usccesfull. i really dont see the point u two are making. its worthwhile for me, not worthwhile for you, thats why there should be the option now isnt it? i still wanna see pvp if the devs thought of rethinking the master missions. just arguing my stand.

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Message Edited by RodianOutlaw on 11-09-2004 12:02 AM

^
/worship


on a side note, i remember how ppl were freaking out with the mellichae quest in fs grind. ppl found out that by bringing jedi's with them, eases the chance of completion. but ive heard of ppl who went at it alone. some succesful, some unsuccesful. even if melichae is an npc, it poses the same unfairness as a pvp dogfight in kessel. i could understand why ppl are screaming at the top of their longs. the loss is too much. but wasnt it the same if u die when doing fs missions? im pretty sure its worse. so if you really wanna suceed, bring lots of friends, bring the whole guild practicaly if u can, if a master one hit ko's you, let you backup whoop their a$$, numbers DO matter. ofcource unless your numbers are practicaly even.

Message Edited by lnflux on 11-09-2004 12:09 AM

1 FRIGGEN MISSLE!!! i blow up.......

those are just rough estimates, noone will ever find out the real estimates are.

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RenoVandall wrote:

GeekLordAragorn:

"Killing someone to intentionally ruin their gameplay is griefing, killing someone who is overt but can't defend themselves is not griefing."

How do you figure that out? Please explain to me your logic behind this statement. So: if somebody is loading and overt it is totally acceptable for you to kill them, even though there isnothing they could do about it? That is certainly not PvP. Player Versus Player indicates by its name that it involves some form of action from all players involved, in fact, it denotes a battle. If only one player is actually able to do anything then it is not a battle ergo it is not PvP. If it is not PvP then why would you do it? There would be no challenge or fun in it for you unless you somehow get off on the fact that you just killed another player, which would mean you were doing it to ruin thier gameplay..........which you just said was griefing.

So, what exactly did that little statement of yours actually mean?

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Oh, you're talking about load killing. I thought you meant the unbuffed guy who's overt in Cnet.